To think an amnesty needs to be made asap for Grenfall residents

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Mayor Kahan supports this but government officials haven't granted it yet. Surely these people have been through enough without persecution for subletting or visa issues!

What is to be gained by an illegal immigrant doming forward to claim they were in there? If they weren't there through the proper channels, then surely they wouldn't qualify for new housing?

Oh stop being so histrionic : the 'deportation ' or not of mass murderers is explained above. I hardly think that is relevant to Grenfell anyway - just a classic Hopkinsesque distraction strategy.

I have done jury duty where I saw a young man found guilty of pimping basically and some car related crimes. He was found guilty and deported. So get off your high horse because that is what happens. Frequently.

"When they're not for mass murder?
Who are you talking about?

Bertrand - the new obsession with the 1000s of mass murderers in the country . Not illegal immigrants though.

Piggy, And you accuse me of being histrionic?!

Is this how you operate in real life? Shutting down discussion with unjustified accusations to deflect?

What accusation??

All those mass murdering illegal immigrants who claimed tickets for the Ariana Grande concert and now want a luxury council flat apparently

I didn't shut a conversation down. I said (to someone else I believe) that people found guilty of crimes are in fact deported and that I have seen this in rl

It is histrionics to link one mass murderers to Grenfell, if not actually insidiously nasty.

I have never been one to shut conversation down.

I'd like to draw attention to the poor people / emergency services / forensic experts who are having to trawl through ashes looking for human remains. I cannot imagine how tough and soul destroying a task this must be.
We need to know who was in that building - just in terms of our basic humanity and that requires some type of amnesty ( illegal sub letting has to be dealt with ) but it also requires our politicaians to step up. That includes Corbyn dropping his 'poor people good , rich people bad ' rhetoric and encouraging the local community to come forward and with support, be honest about who was in those flats.

Oh correction, it was you octopus because you claim people aren't deported for mass murderer. That whole statement makes no sense.

The mass murders in question didn't occur in the UK.

The arson (imagined future arson) would - hence criminal act can equal deportation rather than UK jail. It does depend on the country of origin , admittedly.

Well, fuck me - never seen a thread like this.

The only thing I can compare it two is the comments section on 2 recent articles in DM

1. the outrage about council tenants being rehouse in luxury private block in Kensington where hard working people have had to pay 7.5m for their flay, and

2. the (disgraceful) red arrows at the bottom of the report on the first named dead person, Syria refugee, and his funeral. Massive red arrows for poster commenting RIP (wtf). And outrage his family came over from Syria for his funeral.

How is it that we are demonising the victims?

I do believe those banging on about African warlords are the deflectors!

As POnies and others point out this is actually largely about identifying victims. sadly, there don't seem to be all that many people to rehouse.

Well then fatdogs I direct my question to QuietCorday who said "As a result, we have, at least, one African warlord, responsible for a massacre of hundreds of his fellow countrymen, living life as a free man in London."
That is a huge assertion to make, and very shocking if true (I suspect it isn't) so I would like to know who you mean.

Is Sadiq Khan a mass murderer? [confused emoticon]

A connection keeps being made between the (crassly insensitive) people claiming tickets to a concert fraudulently and these circumstances too. They really aren't connected. it's as if some pole are trying to imply they are the same people.

Aridane - it was only a matter of time, sadly.

Or as orange said!

All those mass murdering illegal immigrants who claimed tickets for the Ariana Grande concert and now want a luxury council flat apparently

Is the African Warlord you speak of Charles Taylor?

No, it was someone unknown outside his home country,

So would you send this man to be executed?

I do not think Britain should be in a position where it is forced to uphold asylum claims for people accused of massacres or genocides in their home countries.

This issue first came to light back in 2013.

Nearly 100 war crimes suspects in UK last year

"In the 15 months from January 2012, the Home Office researched nearly 800 cases where individuals were suspected of war crimes and crimes against humanity."

"It follows earlier figures suggesting more than 700 suspected war criminals were identified by UK immigration officials between 2005 and 2012."

"Of the 99 suspects, three were deported last year, 20 were refused asylum and 46 had their citizenship bids turned down but are likely to have remained in the UK. The fate of the remaining suspects is unknown."

Also ... >> Rwandans arrested in UK over 1994 genocide.

"In 2009, four of the men won a High Court battle to halt extradition after senior judges ruled there was "a real risk" they would not get a fair trial."

Again, >> Suspected foreign war criminals 'able to stay in UK' (2014)

"Forty-nine people suspected of genocide, torture or other serious crimes abroad are living in the UK despite being priority cases for deportation, figures reveal.

Because courts have ruled they could be harmed or killed if sent to their home country, the suspects have been given "restricted" leave to stay in the UK."

All very interesting but how does that equate to the one you said with confidence is wandering freely around London?

Britain ahs a long long long history of harbouring war criminals : and also of offering refuge to the persecuted and those fleeing war and genocide.

I cannot see its relevance to this thread.

I think there does need to be an amnesty as a much bigger crime has taken place, which has taken and destroyed lives.

I can't believe people think it's a slippery slope. Where do you stop, not prosecuting a family that was harbouring a wanted criminal - just astounded me.

This is how the residents are viewed by a quite a few by the looks of things. It's shocking, as if these people are sub human.

Do you know what? there were 600 or so living in that tower. Some of them may have been unpleasant, some ex criminal, some illegal residents. Statistically. Yes, the media martyrs them and we use words such as tragedy and focus on the ones with attractive faces or stories.

regardless of who they were and why or how they were resident, not one of them is to blame for that fire.

And many of them probably (definitely) hated living in that shithole. But it was their home. And now many don't (yet) have homes or anyone to turn to and many can't locate their loved ones. The idea that people want to make that process as hard as possible and add red tape is inhuman.

"As a result, we have, at least, one African warlord, responsible for a massacre of hundreds of his fellow countrymen, living life as a free man in London."

Who?

*Today 20:08 Piggywaspushed

A connection keeps being made between the (crassly insensitive) people claiming tickets to a concert fraudulently and these circumstances too. They really aren't connected. it's as if some pole are trying to imply they are the same people*

I didn't read it that way at all, it was a comment on some unfortunate aspects of human nature.

I didn't read it that way at first, no but it kept coming up!

Others have seen it too!