To think an amnesty needs to be made asap for Grenfall residents

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Mayor Kahan supports this but government officials haven't granted it yet. Surely these people have been through enough without persecution for subletting or visa issues!

No, an amnesty will set a precedent. You will get people setting their houses on fire to get legal residency.

And if you think people won't do this, then it is worth considering that one of the latest ways to claim asylum status in Britain is to say that you have been charged/convicted of murder in your home country where your home country carries the death penalty for the crime.

Britain then cannot legally deport you home to face the death penalty. As a result, we have, at least, one African warlord, responsible for a massacre of hundreds of his fellow countrymen, living life as a free man in London.

It's admirable that so many posters on mumsnet seem unable to accept that there are hundreds of thousands of really vile twats in the world; unfortunately, it's also rather naive.

I think when it turns out that even Theresa May has got more compassion than you, you probably need to start having another think about your priorities.

QuietCorday So would you send this man to be executed?

Has someone really described the horror felt at this wholly preventable tragedy as "handwringing".

@Andrewofgg, why not? If upon his own admission and other evidence that he is responsible for the murder of hundreds of even one in his home country then I see absolutely no problem in sending him home to his country to face punishment according to their laws. Presumably he knew the law in his country while he was murdering hundreds. He just thought the law would never apply to him becuase he was on the right side of power at the time he was killing. That sort of opportunistic evil should not be given any quarter in this country. I would sleep a lot easier at night knowing he has been deported.

Because the death penalty is wrong, wrong, wrong.

And for those who think that people will not falsely claim amnesty or set fire on the hopes that they get free housing, I wish I had your level of idealistic optimism of human nature. Never underestimate the depths to which people will sink to forbtgeir own advantage. People were falsely claiming for free Ariana Grande tickets, ffs! What more for right to remain an a luxury flat in zone 1!

Murdering hundreds is also wrong, wrong, wrong!

No, an amnesty will set a precedent. You will get people setting their houses on fire to get legal residency.

How?! The amnesty Is proposed here because there are over 79 people dead following a huge incident, many of whom cannot be identified without people volunteering information.

How is that comparable to a normal house fire? In what way does say in we won't prosecute people who come forward here even vaguely comparable to how a house fire might be dealt with.

You clearly don't understand what the word precedent means.

Nope.
Let's keep to our laws.
Council houses are in scant supply anyway. Don't reward those who have been abusing their tenancy.

And nobody is being offered 'luxury flats'. The flats that are being used were built as social/affordable homes to start with. They may be part of the same overall development as some luxury flats, but the social / affordable housing parts if the development will not be 'luxury'.

They will simply be decent habitable homes, which is what everyone deserves.

Is the African Warlord you speak of Charles Taylor? (ex president of Liberia, responsible for multiple atrocities in Sierra Leone).
Because I know a little bit about this case (not an expert at all, but I followed it a bit at the time) and I believe that the reason he is held in Britain following his conviction in the SCSL are not just about his facing the death penalty in that country.

(Sorry for diversion)

Ummmm... I think if people set their own houses on fire they would be charged with arson. And probably deported which would make you happy.

Arson is pretty easy to investigate and prove.

I think they are separate issues.

The fire was a tragedy and all should be able to access healthcare etc but if they are illegally subletting or staying illegally, then those issues should be dealt with separately. I am not convinced they should be given thousands of pounds, right to remain etc without any checks. It was a real tragedy and all should be treated well and fairly but the law does still have to apply.

Council houses are in scant supply anyway

scanter now that 140+ of them have burnt down...

was that deliberately heartless??

ffs I really am not sure how many posters have to say the law is being applied as it allows for exceptional circumstances for people to ignore them and say the law must be applied.

Can't have the dead taking advantage now, can we??

I meant nationwide.

Not relevant then phoenix

Fully support an amnesty in this case. Hardly think people will go around setting their houses on fire for this. Arson is not that hard to prove and they'd lose all their possessions (and the public won't be turning up with donations in their case)

fatdogs
Who is this African warlord living free in London? I would be very interested to know who it is, unless you mean Charles Taylor who is:
a) Not living free (he is in a high security prison)
b) Not in London
c) WANTS to be transferred to an African prison
d) is in a British prison for complex reasons to do with security concerns in his own country, where he still has supporters. Had it not been for a country stepping up and agreeing to take him in the event of his conviction, it would have made it more difficult for the (very, very) complicated case against him to be brought, and without that his victims would not have had an opportunity to get some kind of justice. I am proud of the UK offering to take him. It has nothing to do with "asylum", and genocide is not a route to a successful asylum claim.

"I am not convinced they should be given thousands of pounds, right to remain etc without any checks"
Well then don't worry, because no-one will be given the right to remain without any checks. I don't know what the checks are for the emergency, short term money, but there will be checks and doubtless many legitimate claimants will miss out due to having all their documentation etc incinerated.

No OP there should not be. It was utterly horrific but no, if you are here illegally, you should not suddenly be allowed to stay because the home you lived in illegally is gone.

@squishysquirmy I have no idea as I was not the one who brought up the example of a warlord. I was simply replying yo the hypothetical situation. There was been instances of African, well not warlords as such, but perhaps their senior military or assistants who have murdered or tortured their fellow countrymen have successfully claimed asylum in the UK on the basis that regime change now meant that they will face sanction from the tribes or communities they formerly tortured. I don't think the pp who brought up the case of the warlord was referring to Charles Taylor as he was an ex president and was charged in international criminal court. Any special arrangements for him would probably not have been dealt with by a regular home office caseworker. More likely they were referring to smaller tribal or militia warlords and their "generals".

I think if people set their own houses on fire they would be charged with arson. And probably deported which would make you happy.

Deported? For arson? When they're not for mass murder?

Both issues completely separate. Also if there is no record of who was in there what is to stop any illegal immigrant coming forward to claim they were in there.