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It's too hot for high drama, but nonetheless we persist (Trump cont.)

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 19/06/2017 23:43

I'm all out of inspiration here. The grind is getting us all down, interspersed with terrorist attacks, but we shall overcome. In the meantime, there's gin and camaraderie.

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Gumpendorf · 29/06/2017 09:21

Funnily enough I usually do forget about Tiffany.

Donald does too! WinkGrin

Lweji · 29/06/2017 09:25

That explains why Eric keeps putting his foot in his mouth. He won't be forgotten. Wink

Gumpendorf · 29/06/2017 09:36

Ha, Eric's not as stupid as he looks maybe. Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/06/2017 09:59

Useful questions, lweji! This is speculative but hopefully we'd never have to add "are you happy with a president who wages war under false premises in order to cause a distraction from being investigated?" to the list.

www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/war-is-the-win-trump-craves/article35477538/

Thomas Homer-Dixon is a professor in the Balsillie School of International Affairs and the faculty of environment at the University of Waterloo.

Donald Trump needs a war. He needs a war to fire Robert Mueller.

Special counsel Mueller oversees an aggressively expanding investigation of Russia’s efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election, of possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russians, and of the President’s apparent attempts to obstruct the FBI’s investigation of these matters.

Mr. Trump desperately wants to end this investigation. It casts doubt on the legitimacy of his presidency, hints that his hold on office is precarious and suggests, ultimately, he isn’t the “winner” he so badly needs to be. So, his slander machine has begun discrediting Mr. Mueller and the inquiry. Supporters such as former house speaker Newt Gingrich are raising questions about the impartiality of the special counsel and the lawyers he’s hiring for his team.

By themselves, though, these attacks won’t give Mr. Trump the latitude he needs to stop the inquiry. He can’t fire Mr. Mueller directly: Instead, he must order deputy Attorney-General Rod Rosenstein to do so. Also, Justice Department regulations say the special counsel can be fired only for “good cause.” In the current environment, any effort by Mr. Trump to have Mr. Mueller fired or to override the department’s regulations would produce a constitutional crisis at the least; it could also cause a revolt among congressional Republicans. Congress might then pass legislation, with enough votes to overcome a presidential veto, establishing an independent counsel – an outcome even worse for the President.

So, commentators have generally concluded that the Mueller inquiry is safe. But two factors will destabilize the current equilibrium over time. The first will be Mr. Trump’s rising motivation to stop Mr. Mueller’s inquiry as it progresses. Pursuing the Russian connection, the special counsel will probably ask the Internal Revenue Service to hand over Mr. Trump’s tax returns. Many astute observers think the reason the President hasn’t released his returns is that they contain proof of compromising financial links with Russia. If that’s indeed the case, Mr. Trump will do everything he can to prevent their release.

The second factor will be Mr. Trump’s manipulation of the broader political environment in which Congress and the presidency operate. As Jack Goldstone, an expert on state failure, and I argued before the 2016 election, Mr. Trump can generate “a new political and social reality – an ‘emergency’ in the U.S. and around the world – that justifies … attacks on democratic institutions.”

The most likely emergency of this kind is a war, because U.S. presidents have the most room for independent action on the international stage. Also, the start of a war almost always produces a “rally round the flag” effect and a big boost in presidential poll numbers. According to Gallup, George W. Bush saw a 13-per-cent surge in approval at the start of the Iraq invasion in 2003. In the opening days of a new war, a similar surge in Mr. Trump’s poll numbers could encourage congressional Republicans to back the President, should he move to fire Mr. Mueller simultaneously.

The United States is closer to a war – perhaps more than one – than any time since 2003. Events could easily go awry with North Korea over its nuclear buildup, Iran over its support for insurgents in Yemen and elsewhere or Russia over an incident in Syrian airspace. And Mr. Trump doesn’t have to go to war intentionally to reap the domestic political gains I’ve described. He could stumble into war through his breathtaking foreign-policy ineptitude and then opportunistically exploit the crisis to fire the special counsel.

After observing Mr. Trump’s first five months in office, no one should now doubt that – if not for the U.S. political system’s checks and balances – the President would accrue to himself dictatorial powers. ‎He’s contemptuous of the rule of law, constraints on executive power, the investigative role of a free press and judicial review. So far, however, those checks and balances have stymied his authoritarian impulses. And to many people’s surprise (but not mine), the President’s sheer administrative and political incompetence has deprived him of opportunities to consolidate and expand his power.

But in foreign policy, the reverse relationship could easily hold: Incompetence could create crisis and crisis could enable authoritarianism. If so, Mr. Trump still has one very powerful card up his sleeve.

BiglyBadgers · 29/06/2017 10:12

Ha, Eric's not as stupid as he looks

Being forgotten seems like the sensible option for anyone linked to Trump right now. If I was trump's daughter I would be changing my name and moving to the south of France pronto. Young Tiff may turn out to be the smartest of the lot by staying well away.

Lweji · 29/06/2017 10:16

None of them is particularly smart in that respect.

Another. Happy with this?
EPA Officials Are "Bullying" Its Scientists Into Lying To The Public

www.iflscience.com/environment/epa-officials-bullying-scientists-lying-public/

cozietoesie · 29/06/2017 11:17

I'm afraid that he is, Gump.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/06/2017 11:32

uk.businessinsider.com/scott-pruitt-trumps-epa-chief-met-with-dow-chemical-exec-before-rolling-back-a-ban-on-pesticides-2017-6?r=US&IR=T

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration’s top environmental official met privately with the chief executive of Dow Chemical shortly before reversing his agency’s push to ban a widely used pesticide after health studies showed it can harm children’s brains, according to records obtained by The Associated Press.

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt’s schedule shows he met with Dow CEO Andrew Liveris on March 9 for about a half hour at a Houston hotel. Both men were featured speakers at an energy industry conference.

Twenty days later Pruitt announced his decision to deny a petition to ban Dow’s chlorpyrifos pesticide from being sprayed on food, despite a review by his agency’s scientists that concluded ingesting even minuscule amounts of the chemical can interfere with the brain development of fetuses and infants.

cozietoesie · 29/06/2017 12:32

I rather think that the failure to move to a ban is enough, in and of itself. Sad

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/06/2017 13:20

It is entirely in keeping with how this administration are operating but it's shocking to see it in such stark terms.

Has anyone watched the video somewhere up there ^^^ from the NRA? It's frightening and it does seem like there are two realities playing out in America, with two completely divergent and opposing perceptions of what's going on. And when it's the president that's saying things that are demonstrably untrue and fueling this alternative reality, it doesn't bode well.

cozietoesie · 29/06/2017 13:33

Yes. I watched that NRA video.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/06/2017 14:13

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 21m21 minutes ago
More
I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don't watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came..
...to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!

The president, ladies and gentlemen.

BiglyBadgers · 29/06/2017 14:35

Oh my...that is quite a tweet, even for him Shock

lionheart · 29/06/2017 14:57

Jeez.

Gumpendorf · 29/06/2017 15:00

OMG!

Someone needs to stage an intervention; it's not just a matter of taking his phone but stopping him governing when he is unhinged.

lionheart · 29/06/2017 15:02

Higher things and how some presidents, alas, cannot attain them:

<a class="break-all" href="https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/opinion/trumps-obama-obsession.html?referer=t.co/ykLw8lUh6f?amp=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/opinion/trumps-obama-obsession.html?referer=t.co/ykLw8lUh6f?amp=1

lionheart · 29/06/2017 15:17

Just saw that NRA video Pain. It is appalling.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/06/2017 15:18

Wow, even some Republicans aren't happy:

Lindsey Graham‏Verified account @LindseyGrahamSC

Mr. President, your tweet was beneath the office and represents what is wrong with American politics, not the greatness of America.

lionheart · 29/06/2017 15:22

Wonder if the other misogynist, Roger Stone, will be asked about some of his tweets at the hearing (not to mention the backchannel deal):

www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/03/05/longtime_trump_adviser_roger_stone_calls_critic_a_stupid_ignorant_ugly_bitch.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/06/2017 15:28

Another Republican senator:

Ben Sasse‏Verified account @BenSasse

Please just stop. This isn't normal and it's beneath the dignity of your office.

cozietoesie · 29/06/2017 15:53

A Beast piece on the matter.

.Trump tweets about Mika

cozietoesie · 29/06/2017 15:55

Wasn't Joe Scarborough a Republican Congressman at one time?

Gumpendorf · 29/06/2017 15:56

He was, cozie. He represented Florida.

cozietoesie · 29/06/2017 15:57

Ho Hum.