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It's too hot for high drama, but nonetheless we persist (Trump cont.)

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 19/06/2017 23:43

I'm all out of inspiration here. The grind is getting us all down, interspersed with terrorist attacks, but we shall overcome. In the meantime, there's gin and camaraderie.

Previous thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2952694

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 07:59

I feel the same hackmum - it's a huge deal but it seems very underreported.

Rogue EPA Staff @RogueEPAstaff
The US can reasonably consider Russia's election interference an act of war. Preventing sanctions can reasonably be considered treason.

And I'd say that Russian hacking into our parliament starts veering down that path as well. Presumably if there aren't any sanctions applied or actions taken, we'll end up in a similar situation with our democratic processes undermined.

Lweji · 26/06/2017 08:22

I'd like to think retaliation would be covert like the hacking and not to risk having an actual war, but with May, like with Trump in power, I have to doubt it. Sad

BiglyBadgers · 26/06/2017 08:45

Before summer’s out, we'll repeal/replace Obamacare w/ system based on personal responsibility, free-market competition & state-based reform

Ah, if only we had all realised before that we just needed to take more personal responsibility for our genetics then people wouldn't be getting these long term, life limiting illnesses that require decades of medical care. It seems so obvious now. Hmm

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 08:50

That's the fear, lweji, although I don't think there's any need to fear trump retaliating - he's made it clear (ish) that there's nothing untoward about Russia, and fox are in on it too.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 26/06/2017 09:04

How many kinds of wrong can you be? Come the revolution she's 2nd on my list ...Angry

Kellyanne Conway: Those on Medicaid who will lose health insurance can always get jobs.
www.cnbc.com/2017/06/25/kellyanne-conway-those-on-medicaid-who-will-lose-insurance-can-get-jobs.html

PerkingFaintly · 26/06/2017 09:13

From that cnbc article:

As Jonathan Cohn points out in the Huffington Post, however, Conway's reasoning is faulty: "the majority of able-bodied adults on Medicaid already have jobs. The problem is that they work as parking lot attendants and child care workers, manicurists and dishwashers ― in other words, low-paying jobs that typically don't offer insurance. Take away their Medicaid and they won't be covered."

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 09:31

Dave Weigel‏Verified account
@daveweigel
The questions from the Fox and Friends exclusive with Trump are so soft I want to put them in a pillowcase.

Binyamin Appelbaum‏Verified account @BCAppelbaum
Binyamin Appelbaum Retweeted Dave Weigel
In most countries, the state actually needs to take ownership of the media in order to get this kind of coverage.

Mike Forsythe 傅才德‏Verified account @PekingMike
Mike Forsythe 傅才德 Retweeted Dave Weigel
Anyone who has reported in authoritarian countries recognizes this style of "interview." This is state media. This is Xinhua America.

It's too hot for high drama, but nonetheless we persist (Trump cont.)
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 09:33

www.buzzfeed.com/johnhudson/moscow-is-finally-recalling-russian-ambassador-sergey?utm_term=.gaMr6QVA8y#.aen18VzeRZ

Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak Is Going Home To Russia

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 09:37

www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/europe-has-been-working-to-expose-russian-meddling-for-years/2017/06/25/e42dcece-4a09-11e7-9669-250d0b15f83b_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.fb350aad5050

Europe has been working to expose Russian meddling for years

An excerpt:

RIGA, Latvia — As the United States grapples with the implications of Kremlin interference in American politics, European countries are deploying a variety of bold tactics and tools to expose Russian attempts to sway voters and weaken European unity.

Across the continent, counterintelligence officials, legislators, researchers and journalists have devoted years — in some cases, decades — to the development of ways to counter Russian disinformation, hacking and trolling. And they are putting them to use as never before.

Four dozen officials and researchers interviewed recently sounded uniformly more confident about the results of their efforts to counter Russian influence than officials grappling with it in the United States, which one European cyber-official described as “like watching ‘House of Cards.’ ”

“The response here has been very practical,” observed a senior U.S. intelligence official stationed in Europe. “Everybody’s looking at it.”

In the recent French elections, the Kremlin-friendly presidential candidate lost to newcomer Emmanuel Macron, who was subjected to Russian hacking and false allegations in Russian-sponsored news outlets during the campaign. In Germany, all political parties have agreed not to employ automated bots in their social media campaigns because such hard-to-detect cyber tools are frequently used by Russia to circulate bogus news accounts.

The best antidote to Russian influence, European experts say, is to make it visible.

“We have to prepare the public,” said Patrick Sensburg, a member of the German Parliament and an intelligence expert.

President Trump’s embrace of the “fake news” label for traditional mainstream news outlets and his own record of unabashed distortions have, moreover, energized Western Europe against the threat of disinformation, said Claire Wardle, strategy and research director at Europe’s largest social media accountability network, First Draft News. “Now you’re seeing Western Europe wake up.’’

Methods vary. Sweden has launched a nationwide school program to teach students to identify Russian propaganda. The Defense Ministry has created new units to seek out and counter Russian attempts to undermine Swedish society.

In Lithuania, 100 citizen cyber-sleuths dubbed “elves” link up digitally to identify and beat back the people employed on social media to spread Russian disinformation. They call the daily skirmishes “Elves vs. Trolls.”

In Brussels, the European Union’s East Stratcom Task Force has 14 staffers and hundreds of volunteer academics, researchers and journalists who have researched and published 2,000 examples of false or twisted stories in 18 languages in a weekly digest that began two years ago.

SanFranBear · 26/06/2017 09:53

The talk about the economy on the previous page.... interesting vid about all those American jobs that Scrotus was saving:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-40386807/where-did-trump-the-outsourcing-slayer-go

lionheart · 26/06/2017 10:09

Those responses, from covert govt. interventions to citizen activism are fascinating Pain.

Anything that can be done, should be done and the pushback will have to be on every front.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 10:32

The article goes on to list more ways that are being used so it's worth a read.

cozietoesie · 26/06/2017 10:55

Have a quick look at the deep indicators, San. They're not painting, when put together, the picture that 45 is talking about.

Lweji · 26/06/2017 12:56

Kellyanne Conway shouldn't be so cocky. Not sure she'll be employed for long or employable after it.

Lweji · 26/06/2017 12:58

Fun times ahead next week.
(shame I'll be on holiday)

Angela Merkel and Donald Trump head for clash at G20 summit
"German chancellor plans to make climate change, free trade and mass migration key themes in Hamburg, putting her on collision course with US"

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/26/angela-merkel-and-donald-trump-head-for-clash-at-g20-summit

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 13:27

Not sure that any of the current administration will be employable in any other context than Trump, which might be why they are so invested in keeping him going plus there's all the money they're making from stripping and selling the country for parts of course

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 13:30

Urgh

ttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/26/ivanka-trump-i-try-to-stay-out-of-politics-fox-news?CMP=twt_gu

Ivanka Trump, special assistant to the president, told Fox News on Monday: “I try to stay out of politics.”

Trump was speaking to Fox and Friends, the morning show which this weekend broadcast an interview with Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump.

“I try to stay out of politics,” Ivanka Trump said in answer to a question about her father’s use of Twitter to bypass most normal channels of presidential communication. “His political instincts are phenomenal. He did something that no one could have imagined he’d be able to accomplish.

“I feel blessed just being part of the ride from day one and before. But he did something pretty remarkable. But I don’t profess to be a political savant.”

SHE'S THE FUCKING SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT FFS.

AcrossthePond55 · 26/06/2017 13:40

Ah, if only we had all realised before that we just needed to take more personal responsibility for our genetics then people wouldn't be getting these long term, life limiting illnesses that require decades of medical care. It seems so obvious now.

Of COURSE Bigly, because, you know, the right kind of people don't have contraceptive failures, get cancer, or any other (shudder) 'diseases'. Only the 'others' do! If they would only 'live right'!!!!!!!

The Kellyanne interview is more than I can bear. DH gave me a couple of quotes and I told him to stop.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 26/06/2017 13:43

Lies, damn lies and more lies.
(Apologies to M Twain & Disraeli)

Carrier workers facing layoffs feel betrayed by Trump.
www.cbsnews.com/news/carrier-workers-betrayed-by-trumps-promise-to-save-their-jobs/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0g&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=595059c104d30106f185244e&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

cozietoesie · 26/06/2017 13:46

It's called 'biding your time', Pain. Remember, she doesn't like her siblings. Wink

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 13:52

But the sheer idiocy of saying you don't want to be in politics when you work at the white house and are up to your elbow in politics is astounding.

This rage has been useful though - at least I know that not everything has become normalised if my blood pressure still rockets with stories like this!

cozietoesie · 26/06/2017 13:53

She's not bright, though. Just.......canny. Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 13:54

This is a TASS link so you might not want to click on it:

Kremlin spokesman says Putin and Trump will meet in Hamburg
tass.com/politics/953321

MOSCOW, June 26. /TASS/. No specific decisions have been made yet concerning the upcoming meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and his US counterpart Donald Trump due in Hamburg, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

"Protocol aspects are of secondary importance in this case, since it will be the first time that the two presidents will have a chance to meet," he said. The Russian presidential spokesman pointed out that "one way or another, they [Putin and Trump] will be participating in the same event [the G20 summit - TASS] taking place in one city, so there will be a chance to meet."
"I believe that Russia will be ready to agree to the format that will suit the United States, and vice versa," Peskov said when asked about the format of the protocol meeting between the Russian and US leaders.
He also said that everybody should wait for the G20 summit scheduled to be held in the German city of Hamburg on July 7-8.
At the same time, Peskov said that "unfortunately, no specific decisions have been made yet in this connection."

John Schindler‏Verified account @20committee

In a sane America, POTUS wouldn't meet with the "former" KGB guy who's subverting our politics.
Also, for a sane admin & sane POTUS, any meeting with Putin would be the VERY last thing you'd do when everybody thinks he's your daddy.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 14:11

apnews.com/a39de0185d6844bfb0c4009b22791252

Trump eager for big meeting with Putin; some advisers wary
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is eager to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin with full diplomatic bells and whistles when the two are in Germany for a multinational summit next month. But the idea is exposing deep divisions within the administration on the best way to approach Moscow in the midst of an ongoing investigation into Russian meddling in the U.S. elections.

Many administration officials believe the U.S. needs to maintain its distance from Russia at such a sensitive time — and interact only with great caution.

But Trump and some others within his administration have been pressing for a full bilateral meeting. He’s calling for media access and all the typical protocol associated with such sessions, even as officials within the State Department and National Security Council urge more restraint, according to a current and a former administration official.

Some advisers have recommended that the president instead do either a quick, informal “pull-aside” on the sidelines of the summit, or that the U.S. and Russian delegations hold “strategic stability talks,” which typically don’t involve the presidents. The officials spoke anonymously to discuss private policy discussions.

The contrasting views underscore differing views within the administration on overall Russia policy, and Trump’s eagerness to develop a working relationship with Russia despite the ongoing investigations.

Asked about the AP report that Trump is eager for a full bilateral meeting, Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters in Moscow on Monday that “the protocol side of it is secondary.” The two leaders will be attending the same event in the same place at the same time, Peskov said, so “in any case there will be a chance to meet.” Peskov added, however, that no progress in hammering out the details of the meeting has been made yet.

There are potential benefits to a meeting with Putin. A face-to-face meeting can humanize the two sides and often removes some of the intrigue involved in impersonal, telephone communication. Trump — the ultimate dealmaker — *

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 14:14

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump Jun 25
Hillary Clinton colluded with the Democratic Party in order to beat Crazy Bernie Sanders. Is she allowed to so collude? Unfair to Bernie!

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 42m42 minutes ago
The Democrats have become nothing but OBSTRUCTIONISTS, they have no policies or ideas. All they do is delay and complain.They own ObamaCare!
The reason that President Obama did NOTHING about Russia after being notified by the CIA of meddling is that he expected Clinton would win..
...and did not want to "rock the boat." He didn't "choke," he colluded or obstructed, and it did the Dems and Crooked Hillary no good.
The real story is that President Obama did NOTHING after being informed in August about Russian meddling. With 4 months looking at Russia...
..under a magnifying glass, they have zero "tapes" of T people colluding. There is no collusion & no obstruction. I should be given apology!