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It's too hot for high drama, but nonetheless we persist (Trump cont.)

963 replies

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 19/06/2017 23:43

I'm all out of inspiration here. The grind is getting us all down, interspersed with terrorist attacks, but we shall overcome. In the meantime, there's gin and camaraderie.

Previous thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2952694

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crumpet · 22/06/2017 18:43

"I did not make" is not the same as "I am not aware of any"

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/06/2017 18:49

Eugene Robinson @Eugene_Robinson
Trump distraction strategy is clear: Announce no Comey tapes on day Senate passes terrible health bill. Don't be fooled!

AcrossthePond55 · 22/06/2017 18:52

www.npr.org/2017/06/22/533947844/senate-republicans-reveal-long-awaited-affordable-care-act-repeal-bill

Senate bill revealed. 'Reform' on the backs of those who need help the most. Business as usual for GOP. I think Pence and those Senators who go on about how Christian they are need to read Matthew 25:40.

GingerIvy · 22/06/2017 19:03

The Independent‏Verified account @Independent 2m2 minutes ago
Isis blows up world-famous Mosque in Mosul ind.pn/2rV3niE

GingerIvy · 22/06/2017 19:09

Caroline O.‏ @RVAwonk 1m1 minute ago
#BREAKING: Sen. Rand Paul & 3 other conservatives announce they won't vote for #AHCA in current form b/c it provides too much coverage. pic.twitter.com/CibdzgQtXx

lionheart · 22/06/2017 19:17

Bigly, I think it will matter more for the younger generation of voters. Buying and newspaper and sticking to a newspaper is not how they operate at all. A good thing to have diverse news sources as long as there is also continuous fact checking and source verification.

lionheart · 22/06/2017 19:27

I really like Ted. Smile

Ted Lieu‏Verified account @tedlieu 3h3 hours ago
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Ted Lieu Retweeted Donald J. Trump
Any rational person who has seen the classified information, as I have, knows @POTUS is lying when he calls Russian interference a hoax.

AndHoldTheBun · 22/06/2017 19:33

Bigly - I agree, certainly I seek news and information from a much wider variety of sources now, than when I had to rely on print media and BBC news. I like to look at opposing views too- I think "the truth" is often somewhere in the middle of the spin put on the same story by sources at opposite sides of the political spectrum...

CaveMum · 22/06/2017 19:59

Well this is just plain scary:

"The legislation would undo a relatively recent St. Louis ordinance that prohibits potential employers and landlords from discriminating against women based on their reproductive health history. In other words, if they’ve had an abortion. Or have used birth control. Or if they are pregnant. "

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/missouri-women-could-soon-be-disqualified-from-jobs-based-on-reproductive-decisions_us_59481869e4b0cddbb0089fce

cozietoesie · 22/06/2017 20:05

I hope everyone is watching The Handmaid's Tale, the serialisation, available on Channel 4 on Sunday nights. (Episodes 1-4 available on Catchup.)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/06/2017 20:30

Christopher Hayes @chrislhayes
Just a reminder: there's a chance Kennedy announces his retirement on Monday, paving the way for the end of Roe.

cozietoesie · 22/06/2017 20:38

$98 million compensation package voted down - but it's a non-binding vote.

Epipen etc

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/06/2017 20:52

Ha, it just pairs so well together

It's too hot for high drama, but nonetheless we persist (Trump cont.)
SanFranBear · 22/06/2017 21:37

"I love all people, rich or poor, but in those particular positions I just don’t want a poor person. Does that make sense?”

Scrotus explaining how he's continuing to drain the swamp... no, wait, uhm

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/22/donald-trump-says-he-doesnt-want-a-poor-person-in-cabinet-roles

cozietoesie · 22/06/2017 21:49

A few years back, I had reason to read all the Gospels in one sitting. (Thinking back to Across's quote from Matthew.) What came across to me forecefully from that experience - albeit transmuted through various transcribings and translations - was not Christ's love but rather his great anger - at injustice, perhaps. So, Across - I reckon I agree with you.

HildaOg · 22/06/2017 21:51

I'll give him credit for having made comedy great again. It's even better than it was under Bush.

cozietoesie · 22/06/2017 21:58

I never thought I'd look back on Dubya with nostalgia. Grin

FirstShinyRobe · 22/06/2017 22:02

Someone in Texas keeps signing up for stuff using my email. Here's the latest dogwhistle from Pete Sessions :

"We are facing a choice my friend.

Once made, we cannot go back. We must live with it.

Last November, America returned to the path of prosperity and security by electing President Trump and our Republican majorities.

And now, the far-left can’t stand it.

We know exactly what the Democrats stand for. In special elections across the country we have seen their agenda first hand. They want higher taxes, a single-payer health care system, more rules and regulations – including rules like the EPA’s onerous WOTUS rule.

Their big government agenda is driven directly from Nancy Pelosi.

We want to tear that down, and renew America.

The Democrats are making me a target because they know I stand for meaningful, conservative reforms that improve the lives of Texas families.

Do you have the courage to stand beside me despite everything the left will throw at us?

The end of our second filing quarter is here and your support is critical in the coming months.

We are $14,655 away from our goal. Your contribution of $25 or more helps us chip away at it before the filing deadline.

Let’s send a clear message that folks of North Texas aren’t interested in being like New York or California."

CaveMum · 22/06/2017 22:05

Here's Obama's statement about the Healthcare Bill, taken from his Facebook account:

"Our politics are divided. They have been for a long time. And while I know that division makes it difficult to listen to Americans with whom we disagree, that’s what we need to do today.

I recognize that repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act has become a core tenet of the Republican Party. Still, I hope that our Senators, many of whom I know well, step back and measure what’s really at stake, and consider that the rationale for action, on health care or any other issue, must be something more than simply undoing something that Democrats did.

We didn’t fight for the Affordable Care Act for more than a year in the public square for any personal or political gain – we fought for it because we knew it would save lives, prevent financial misery, and ultimately set this country we love on a better, healthier course.

Nor did we fight for it alone. Thousands upon thousands of Americans, including Republicans, threw themselves into that collective effort, not for political reasons, but for intensely personal ones – a sick child, a parent lost to cancer, the memory of medical bills that threatened to derail their dreams.

And you made a difference. For the first time, more than ninety percent of Americans know the security of health insurance. Health care costs, while still rising, have been rising at the slowest pace in fifty years. Women can’t be charged more for their insurance, young adults can stay on their parents’ plan until they turn 26, contraceptive care and preventive care are now free. Paying more, or being denied insurance altogether due to a preexisting condition – we made that a thing of the past.

We did these things together. So many of you made that change possible.

At the same time, I was careful to say again and again that while the Affordable Care Act represented a significant step forward for America, it was not perfect, nor could it be the end of our efforts – and that if Republicans could put together a plan that is demonstrably better than the improvements we made to our health care system, that covers as many people at less cost, I would gladly and publicly support it.

That remains true. So I still hope that there are enough Republicans in Congress who remember that public service is not about sport or notching a political win, that there’s a reason we all chose to serve in the first place, and that hopefully, it’s to make people’s lives better, not worse.

But right now, after eight years, the legislation rushed through the House and the Senate without public hearings or debate would do the opposite. It would raise costs, reduce coverage, roll back protections, and ruin Medicaid as we know it. That’s not my opinion, but rather the conclusion of all objective analyses, from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which found that 23 million Americans would lose insurance, to America’s doctors, nurses, and hospitals on the front lines of our health care system.

The Senate bill, unveiled today, is not a health care bill. It’s a massive transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor families to the richest people in America. It hands enormous tax cuts to the rich and to the drug and insurance industries, paid for by cutting health care for everybody else. Those with private insurance will experience higher premiums and higher deductibles, with lower tax credits to help working families cover the costs, even as their plans might no longer cover pregnancy, mental health care, or expensive prescriptions. Discrimination based on pre-existing conditions could become the norm again. Millions of families will lose coverage entirely.

Simply put, if there’s a chance you might get sick, get old, or start a family – this bill will do you harm. And small tweaks over the course of the next couple weeks, under the guise of making these bills easier to stomach, cannot change the fundamental meanness at the core of this legislation.

I hope our Senators ask themselves – what will happen to the Americans grappling with opioid addiction who suddenly lose their coverage? What will happen to pregnant mothers, children with disabilities, poor adults and seniors who need long-term care once they can no longer count on Medicaid? What will happen if you have a medical emergency when insurance companies are once again allowed to exclude the benefits you need, send you unlimited bills, or set unaffordable deductibles? What impossible choices will working parents be forced to make if their child’s cancer treatment costs them more than their life savings?

To put the American people through that pain – while giving billionaires and corporations a massive tax cut in return – that’s tough to fathom. But it’s what’s at stake right now. So it remains my fervent hope that we step back and try to deliver on what the American people need.

That might take some time and compromise between Democrats and Republicans. But I believe that’s what people want to see. I believe it would demonstrate the kind of leadership that appeals to Americans across party lines. And I believe that it’s possible – if you are willing to make a difference again. If you’re willing to call your members of Congress. If you are willing to visit their offices. If you are willing to speak out, let them and the country know, in very real terms, what this means for you and your family.

After all, this debate has always been about something bigger than politics. It’s about the character of our country – who we are, and who we aspire to be. And that’s always worth fighting for.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/06/2017 22:10

firstshinyrobe I probably should expect it by now but Shock

lionheart · 22/06/2017 22:16

Can you do anything to stop it First?

cozietoesie · 22/06/2017 22:20

I love the exquisite delicacy of the last para in the piece linked by lion.

"The monitor, who has not yet been named, is due to begin its review of Deutsche’s activities in early July. The monitor – who will happen to be reviewing the period around the US election last year – was put in place as part of a $41m settlement with the US Federal Reserve announced at the end of May after the Fed found that the bank’s US operation did not have strong enough systems to detect suspicious transactions from the period of 2011 to 2015."

lionheart · 22/06/2017 22:29

More pieces of the jigsaw perhaps?

If you have the heart for it there is this searchable archive of Trump tweets to consider:

www.trumptwitterarchive.com/