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It's too hot for high drama, but nonetheless we persist (Trump cont.)

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 19/06/2017 23:43

I'm all out of inspiration here. The grind is getting us all down, interspersed with terrorist attacks, but we shall overcome. In the meantime, there's gin and camaraderie.

Previous thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2952694

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TheClaws · 23/06/2017 00:46

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour ago
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I am very supportive of the Senate #HealthcareBill. Look forward to making it really special! Remember, ObamaCare is dead.
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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
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Mexico was just ranked the second deadliest country in the world, after only Syria. Drug trade is largely the cause. We will BUILD THE WALL!

PerkingFaintly · 23/06/2017 07:19

We mentioned push polling a while back. Nice example in the UK elections:

Conservative party call centre 'may have broken election law'
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/22/conservative-party-call-centre-may-have-broken-election-law

“So does knowing that you live in a marginal constituency that will determine who is prime minister for the Brexit negotiations, does that make you a lot more likely to vote for Theresa May’s Conservative candidate or a little more likely to vote for Theresa May’s Conservative candidate, or are you still unsure, or does it not make a difference?”

Oops, they seem to have left out a few options there...

FirstShinyRobe · 23/06/2017 07:25

lionheart I did unsubscribe him/me from the NRA emails, but quite like to see what good old Pete has to say. (I know it's a him, because I also get Roy's AT&T bill's. My name and email is nothing like RoyConfused).

Love that from Obama. What a contrast.

Lweji · 23/06/2017 07:57

Did Trump look at the position of his own country in terms of safety? Particularly compared to Europe?
Then he could perhaps explain how much of that crime is due to Mexicans (who know how to use planes and boats, btw)

lionheart · 23/06/2017 08:07

This is still bubbling away:

time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-widespread-private-data/

Lweji · 23/06/2017 08:13

I've lost a longer post.

A) Trump may well have tapes, says no because they're incriminating for him

B) Daily Mail doesn't like of being accused of spreading hate and is upset with the Guardian.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/owen-jones-gleefully-brands-daily-mail-an-open-sewer_uk_594b7656e4b01cdedf0058cc

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 23/06/2017 08:16

That Time article has reminded of the EU-wide data protection legislation that we are currently protected by. I wonder if that falls into the same "unnecessary, burdensome" EU regulations 'basket' as our health & safety and human rights protections?

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Lweji · 23/06/2017 08:19

And the burdensome Obama regulations on everything. (Obviously not only Obama)

lionheart · 23/06/2017 08:19

It will fall into precisely that category If there is profit in it for someone.

Lweji · 23/06/2017 08:24

"No one contacted for this story said they had seen evidence that the stolen, private, data had actually made its way to the Trump campaign."

It didn't have to.

Two otherwise unrelated people meet by chance on a train and decide to murder eachother's spouses... no apparent motive...

Lweji · 23/06/2017 09:35

Watching Jimmy Kimmel and he makes a good point on the healthcare bill.

Most of the nasty stuff is delayed to 2024. Why? Because it won't affect their re-election in the short term, as people won't feel the effect of the changes immediately.
But, surely, if Obamacare is so bad, it should be changed with immediate effects.
Sadly, their voters won't be the brightest people or won't see more than their soundbites.
Certainly won't read that long piece by Obama.

lionheart · 23/06/2017 09:56

More data-hacking-Russian stuff--this time closer to Downing Street:

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/russian-hackers-trade-british-ministers-email-addresses-and-passwords-hqtr7pv9z

TheNorthWestPawsage · 23/06/2017 10:01

A long (but actually quite an 'enjoyable') and informative piece with some telling facts and anecdotes about the real Trump.

Being Donald Trump: the life of an impersonator
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/23/being-donald-trump-the-life-of-an-impersonator-john-di-domenico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Lweji · 23/06/2017 10:06

Congress have the info on how to improve election security.

Will they do anything about it?

money.cnn.com/2017/06/21/technology/voter-security-letter-sent-to-congress/index.html?sr=twCNN062217voter-security-letter-sent-to-congress1005AMVODtopLink&linkId=38967096

TheClaws · 23/06/2017 11:48

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 5m5 minutes ago
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I've helped pass and signed 38 Legislative Bills, mostly with no Democratic support, and gotten rid of massive amounts of regulations. Nice!

He's complimenting himself? Or insulting himself, as he usually uses 'Nice!' when he feels someone has insulted him? Confused

Lweji · 23/06/2017 11:55

gotten rid of massive amounts of regulations.

Of course that some people think that's a bad thing. For some strange reason many people prefer that those with political and economic power are regulated.

Lweji · 23/06/2017 12:14

Excellent Hmm choice for the new Ambassador to Portugal:

George Edward Glass

Track record on international relations or diplomacy?
"Mr. Glass has been Owner & Managing Partner since 2015 of MGG Development LLC in Lake Oswego, Oregon, a commercial enterprise that purchases and operates apartment complexes and rental homes. He was Founder, President and Vice Chairman of Pacific Crest Securities in Portland, Oregon from 1990 to 2014. Mr. Glass is a trustee for Oregon Health Sciences University and was formerly a trustee for the University of Oregon. He has served on numerous private and public boards and advisory councils. Mr. Glass earned a B.S. from the University of Oregon."

Or

Mark Knoller ✔ @markknoller
Pres Trump nominates retired investment banker George Edward Glass to be US Amb to Portugal. He contributed $33,400 to RNC in 2016, per FEC.
1:20 AM - 20 Jun 2017

www.congress.gov/nomination/115th-congress/676?r=7

cozietoesie · 23/06/2017 12:20

He more or less had to say he didn't have any recordings. (Whether or not he did.) The ramifications of any other statement would have been appalling.

cozietoesie · 23/06/2017 12:55

Lawrence O'Donnell on the matter of 'tapes'. Far be it from me to say there's any prescience in this piece.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/06/2017 13:39

www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.12730b4c2b6a

Obama’s secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin’s election assault

Brief excerpt:

“The Dems were, ‘Hey, we have to tell the public,’ ” recalled one participant. But Republicans resisted, arguing that to warn the public that the election was under attack would further Russia’s aim of sapping confidence in the system.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) went further, officials said, voicing skepticism that the underlying intelligence truly supported the White House’s claims. Through a spokeswoman, McConnell declined to comment, citing the secrecy of that meeting.

Key Democrats were stunned by the GOP response and exasperated that the White House seemed willing to let Republican opposition block any pre-election move.

On Sept. 22, two California Democrats — Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Adam B. Schiff — did what they couldn’t get the White House to do. They issued a statement making clear that they had learned from intelligence briefings that Russia was directing a campaign to undermine the election, but they stopped short of saying to what end.

A week later, McConnell and other congressional leaders issued a cautious statement that encouraged state election officials to ensure their networks were “secure from attack.” The release made no mention of Russia and emphasized that the lawmakers “would oppose any effort by the federal government” to encroach on the states’ authorities.

When U.S. spy agencies reached unanimous agreement in late September that the interference was a Russian operation directed by Putin, Obama directed spy chiefs to prepare a public statement summarizing the intelligence in broad strokes.

With Obama still determined to avoid any appearance of politics, the statement would not carry his signature.

On Oct. 7, the administration offered its first public comment on Russia’s “active measures,” in a three-paragraph statement issued by Johnson and Clapper. Comey had initially agreed to attach his name, as well, officials said, but changed his mind at the last minute, saying that it was too close to the election for the bureau to be involved.

“The U.S. intelligence community is confident that the Russian government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations,” the statement said. “We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”

Early drafts accused Putin by name, but the reference was removed out of concern that it might endanger intelligence sources and methods.

The statement was issued around 3:30 p.m., timed for maximum media coverage. Instead, it was quickly drowned out. At 4 p.m., The Post published a story about crude comments Trump had made about women that were captured on an “Access Hollywood” tape. Half an hour later, WikiLeaks published its first batch of emails stolen from Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta.

To some, Obama’s determination to avoid politicizing the Russia issue had the opposite effect: It meant that he allowed politics to shape his administration’s response to what some believed should have been treated purely as a national security threat.

Schiff said that the administration’s justifications for inaction often left him with a sense of “cognitive dissonance.”

“The administration doesn’t need congressional support to issue a statement of attribution or impose sanctions,” Schiff said in a recent interview. He said many groups inadvertently abetted Russia’s campaign, including Republicans who refused to confront Moscow and media organizations that eagerly mined the troves of hacked emails.

“Where Democrats need to take responsibility,” Schiff said, “is that we failed to persuade the country why they should care that a foreign power is meddling in our affairs.”

GingerIvy · 23/06/2017 13:46

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BREAKING: Saudi Arabia, other Arab nations demand that Qatar close Al-Jazeera, cut diplomatic ties to Iran, shutter Turkish base.

cozietoesie · 23/06/2017 13:54

Ouch.

An aljazeera piece.

Uncharted territory

cozietoesie · 23/06/2017 14:34

Apparently, You Know Who set up a retaliatory 'digital bomb' as Russian 'payback'. Left it up to 45 to decided whether to use it though. A Beast piece - I haven't read the original WaPo story.

Massive retaliation

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/06/2017 15:20

www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-navalny-presidency-idUSKBN19E1KW?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

Russia's election commission says Navalny can not run for presidency

cozietoesie · 23/06/2017 15:21

It was to be expected.