Teresa May

[thegoodnameshadgone]

Might get crucified for this but....

She won.

She's had a lot to manage a response and a
Plan to deal with since she became PM.

I didn't vote for her. My partner did.

I feel a bit sorry for her.

Anyone else?

However his emoting in the last few days has been a bit nauseating.

What an appalling thing to say. He simply expressed sympathy to the victims of a dreadful tragedy. He didn't even have to engineer a response to highlight the stark contrast between himself and TM.

Im still baffled why this has become a thread about women vs men.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying things here but don't women get the same opportunities as men. I.e. If a female wanted to become an mp of a political party, she can do? I know nothing about the application process for doing this so maybe someone can correct me?

As pp said, we do have female leaders of other political parties (plaid, green, snp).

I get what you're saying about quotas but I still don't think someone should be employed in a role based on gender and not the actual qualifying criteria. If they are well suited to a job and happen to be female it should be a given they should get the role but NOT because of their gender. (I really like Leanne Wood but then I don't live in Wales)

Because women get fewer opportunities/are more discriminated against/get taken less seriously/often take time out to have babies.

In an ideal world, yes, we wouldn't need quotas. But we do.

Women rise to the top, and we see it more and more often, but not as often as men do.

I have very little experience of that happening, I work in a fairly gender-neutral environment. Perhaps it happens more in political careers due to the old establishment mentality.

JC's front bench has a fair number of females in. I can't see him being misogynistic, in response to a previous poster.

Anyway I'm derailing - Maybot needs to go. Strong and stable ey....? She's not even around to negotiate the Brexit talks of which she so fervently kept banging on about being a bloody difficult woman probably a good thing

I've never been to the USA, but I still realise that if many people say it exists, it probably exists.

I take your point but I do see it as women get the same opportunities as men. It maybe that they aren't as drawn into going into political careers as men but the opportunity is still there as it is for everybody

I don't see it as women 'get fewer opportunities' Big Yellow.

They simply don't. Women could apply to any role a man could apply for.

They can apply, sure. So why don't they? Why aren't there women in top government positions, on boards, working as CEOs?

Because all the male candidates just happened to be better?

And they all just happened to be white as well?

Wouldn't that be something of a totally amazing coincidence?

They can apply, sure. So why don't they?

That's my point; they can apply. They have the same opportunity as a man does to apply. There are many female entrepreneurs in the world, many female leaders, female scientists.

So if a female is 'put off' applying a job which is open to anyone with the correct skill set, why don't they? I don't have the answer to that because I can't speak for all women. I know that if a job came up which matched my skills, I would apply for it.

Feel sorry for May? Of course not. Feel sorry for all the people's lives she's messed up with her bad leadership? Yes. Noticing that the burden of coping with her mess-ups disproportionately falls on ordinary women's shoulders? Yes. Having her in power is doing no favours for women.

Based on your analysis that women don't get the same opps, are more discriminated against, take time out to have babies etc it would mean that any employer who discriminated on these grounds would be breaking the law. There'd be public outcry if employers left, right and centre broke the law regarding worker rights, anti-discrimination laws etc.

Well, why do you think they don't?

Because they are lazy or something?

Good for you that you apply, but there are reasons why other women don't.

Just curious, I know you are few and far between on here. But for those who'd still vote conservative how do you think that they will help you and your family?

No Yellow, I don't think they are lazy and never once implied I thought as such so please don't put words in my mouth

In answer to your question I don't know why they don't apply. Maybe their should be a national survey conducted to see why some women don't apply for positions of power and some women do. Same as to why some women don't gravitate towards STEM subjects and others do. Or whatever. You may find the answers in that.

I'm willing to bet childcare reasons will come out as a factor. But that's not an indictment of the employer (if anything I think many employers are fairly reasonable in accommodating childcare arrangements) but more of a factor that women tend to do more of the childcare. I'm just stating a fact. That's not to say women can't do jobs just as well as men or that they shouldn't apply for jobs, or that they should be treated as not as important because they have childcare committments. But I do think that childcare would be one of the top reasons why some women don't apply for some jobs with a position of authority.

If anything I'd like to see more flexible working. Times have changed, nowadays one wage will not sustain a family so two people have to work just to keep up with rents/mortgage etc. I would love to see more flexible working patterns that deviate from the norm. Maybe that would help redress the balance a bit

There* not their argh

The people that have had the most slating have been TM and Lily ALlen recently

That speaks volumes

Just with regard to parliament, it is far more difficult for women to enter than men. The hours are strange and not particularly suitable for families. It is in many ways still one of the most sexist institutions in the country, ask any female MP.

that speaks volumes

I don't think so

one is the prime minister so is probably in line for a slating atm, and one is a very noisy self promoter, so also up for discussion.

Just with regard to parliament, it is far more difficult for women to enter than men. The hours are strange and not particularly suitable for families. It is in many ways still one of the most sexist institutions in the country, ask any female MP.

Or, difficult for women who have sexist husbands to enter.

Sexism is alive and well just as much as all other discrimination be it on the grounds of race, religion, sexual persuasion or political views.

Or, difficult for women who have sexist husbands to enter.
Or partners who work, or single parents.