Teresa May

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Might get crucified for this but....

She won.

She's had a lot to manage a response and a
Plan to deal with since she became PM.

I didn't vote for her. My partner did.

I feel a bit sorry for her.

Anyone else?

Unfortunately, no one has shown any kind of real leadership in the aftermath of this terrible event. Not TM, not K&C council, not the Mayor of London, no one. That's why numerous local voluntary groups and self organised groups have had to step in to try and fill the void.

The response from K&C has been particularly shit. Speak to anyone who lives or has connections with North Kensington and they will all tell you the same. The council's political leaders treat poor people with contempt. They barely tolerate them. They have been closing local services down for years in the hope of squeezing these people out of the borough so that council land could be sold off to rich developers. That's a fact.

Look- I'm a realist. I know that life isn't fair. But that council are a bunch of fucking shit heads and they should be squarely in the frame for this. I hope their feet get held firmly over the flame even after the cameras go away.

Administratively, I guess there are three bodies that could have co-ordinated the on the ground response: local council, mayor's office, central government. Does anyone know whose job it should be? My guess would be the council but I don't know.

portia

Agree 100% 2cats

Sharpen your pitchforks, and stoke up those fires, make sure those ropes are long enough for the noose.

You are on a witch hunt. Grenfell was a systemic failure across Labour, the Coalition and the current government, so cannot be laid wholly at Mrs May's door.

All the public servants have had measly pay rises for ages, and have had to do more with less, that's been going on for decades, with the Royal Navy back in the 80s and 90s and teaching in the 00s. However, if you still have scale points to climb, then you pay does increase plus the 1% pay rise. Public sector pay is the one pay budget that the government can and does control, and that has always been the case for public servants. I think she increased the intelligence and anti terrorist budgets iirc.

The decisions that have been made have been Cabinet decisions, (so collective responsibility) often Treasury driven as with SDSR. You could argue that ministers should have resigned in protest, but equally you can argue that by hanging on and trying to protect their departments, they were doing their jobs. I think May was on the outside under the Coalition and when DC was PM; she certainly wasn't part of the posh boy sofa inner circle.

No one caused or committed the terrorist attacks, except the terrorists themselves; it is grossly unfair to blame the PM for that. I didn't hear any of you blaming M. Hollande or M. Michel for Bataclan and the airport and metro bombings in Brussels. No-one had a list of who was in Bataclan, or who who was at the airport or on the metro; and it took several days to find out where people were in some cases in Belgium, and if they were alive or dead.

Unless you stop people driving cars/vans/lorries in cities, and I suspect you wouldn't advocate that, then you won't stop these attacks, any more than you can stop people wheeling a luggage trolley into an airport; after all, that's what you do in an airport.

If you name the injured and where they are you end with the likes of that Burley woman trying to interview them in hospital.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11224065/Theresa-May-Home-Office-could-have-covered-up-paedophile-claims.html She launched an enquiry into this and it happened in the 80s. IIrc, she wasn't even an MP until 1997, so quite how you can blame her for failings in a department when she wasn't even elected is beyond me.

It's good to be judgemental Oligarch Much has better than been an apologist for May.

I am not on a witch hunt so please stop with the inflammatory language - it does you no credit.

Grenfell was a systemic failure across Labour, the Coalition and the current government, so cannot be laid wholly at Mrs May's door.
However it started with the 1989 housing act and ended under May's tenure, ergo she should be present and should have shown a greater presence. I really don't think this is a Labour witch hunt, it seems to be a cross party analysis; somebody needs to take over what is essentially a poisoned chalice.

Along with scaryteacher - its a witch-hunt. The PM has had a shit load of trials recently. So what if she isn't the media friendly suck up to the media, populist, touch feely persona we think we want.

She's exactly the right type we need right now. Objective, pragmatic & not so swayed by emotion that she can't do the job required of her. Give her a break.

Calm down, let's have some peace & a settling period while our government tries to keep our country together.

MrsMuddle, the problem is that she isn't doing the job. There is still no on the ground co-ordination. Despite extra staff being sent to K&C council there are still people who don't know where to go and what to do. There are people being told if they don't accept the out of borough housing they will be declared intentionally homeless meaning that they won't be rehoused at all.

She's exactly the right type we need right now

Can you point to any evidence of this prior to becoming PM?

What makes her qualified for the role?

I can point to many examples since becoming PM where she's shown she is not up to it. Not consulting people, not consulting her party, arrogance and misjudging what's needed.

She called an unnecessary election - when she said she wouldn't.
Has divided the country further.
Failed to listen to the victims of Grenfell until seemingly forced to.

Calm down, let's have some peace & a settling period while our government tries to keep our country together

We've had years of this Government. Our country is more divided than ever.

Dawndonnaagain: as a local council officer myself there is always this underlying feeling from the public that nothing is being done unless you can see it in the media.

Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.

I'm very impressed by Mrs May. She has a lot of supporters out there it is ust we can hardly get a word in edgeways to say so at present as so many people seem to hate female leaders of any persuasion.

MrsMuddle Been there, seen it, was chair of the housing committee. Funnily enough, always managed to keep residents informed.

Calm down, let's have some peace & a settling period while our government tries to keep our country together.
As for this trite statement, I don't think there has been a government quite so divided for a very long time. There's a statue of Oliver Cromwell outside the House of Commons for a reason.

Fuck off with your calm down. People are angry, the country is in shit with lots more to come with Brexit talks about to begin!!
I am angry, embarrassed and ashamed of this country.

Mary you seem to manage to get a word in to say so quite often.

Businesses with good records have had fire safety inspections reduced from 6 hours to 45 minutes, allowing managers to quickly get back to their day job

From the governments Cutting Red Tape programme. On their webpage. Calm down? No.

I rather think Mary, that is not the case. One only has to read the papers...

Calm down?! Why should we? We are heading into Brexit without an official government, with no clue as to what our negotiating stance should be, at a time when our nhs, police and fire service are all showing the strain they said they would due to the draconian austerity measures. An unknown number of people burned to death because of failures at multi levels including government, despite repeated loud warnings of the potential for catastrophe.

You sound like Boris with his 'get stuffed'.

What is Merkel if not a female leader? I don't see any hate for her, apart from the anti eu or anti immigration brigade.

We've had years of this Government.

Absolutely.

Mary, I'm afraid you are wrong about the "because she's a woman" analysis. I agree there's a hell of a lot of misogyny in politics, as with most walks of life - but this isn't an example of it. Theresa May had sky high approval ratings before she called that snap election. Now they're on the floor. Do you think people just noticed she was a woman in the past 8 weeks?

scaryteacher: "Sharpen your pitchforks, and stoke up those fires, make sure those ropes are long enough for the noose."

What you mean by "sharpen your pitchforks..." etc is a few people being a bit critical of Theresa May on an internet forum. I'm afraid using that kind of inflammatory language just makes you look a bit pathetic, really. How do you expect people to take you seriously? What if a crowd of people really did pick on a public figure with pitchforks - what words would you use then? You'd look even sillier than you do already.

In any case, you're better off addressing your remarks to the ranks of Tory MPs, most of whom appear to be very unhappy with Mrs May and are already hatching plans to get rid of her.