Teresa May

[thegoodnameshadgone]

Might get crucified for this but....

She won.

She's had a lot to manage a response and a
Plan to deal with since she became PM.

I didn't vote for her. My partner did.

I feel a bit sorry for her.

Anyone else?

The FB's response to this fire was not compromised by "Tory Cuts."

"And so suddenly the threat of terrorism went away the next day?"

No, but it was reduced. Were you there on either day? Do you not know the difference in the situations between day one and day two? There was a huge difference between the two days in terms of people, the number of people, the emergency services, the cordon, the organisation, the amount of donations, the amount of different things that were going on at the same time.

Let's hope the NHS isn't compromised either.

Shortage of nurses and doctors. Losing staff because of poor pay and conditions.

Or education isn't compromised.

Teacher retention falling.

Or social care isn't compromised.

People unable to afford housing in London - God knows how they even get the staff to do these jobs.

There's a real bubble of anger at the moment.

Were you there on either day

She was. She went to see the emergency services.
She did not see the victims.

It is that simple.

The FB's response to this fire was not compromised by "Tory Cuts."
No, but it will be in the future because they've cut the counselling services.

"It is that simple."

Yes it's that simple that she was able to visit the emergency services who were working BEHIND a cordon - where there was no / very little security risk.

You are correct. It really is that simple that security risks can change based on geographical location and current operations taking place. One situation meant it was safe for her to visit, one situation meant it was not safe for her to visit!

I've actually laughed out loud at so many of the comments in this thread. The fact that some people are upset that poor TM has had the public and press say mean things about her and the Tory party. Oh diddums, it must be awful for them they must be so hurt. Never mind the misery they've caused to millions of people in the past 7 years. They can dish out the pain, they'll just have to suck it up.

And as for people being outraged that this tragic event is being made political, well it's political decisions that led to it happening what do you expect?

where there was no / very little security risk

The risk came from meeting real people. People who are angry at her and the Goverment.

"The risk came from meeting real people. People who are angry at her and the Goverment."

And your access to security information is what? When this incident first happened - it was actually questioned whether it was terrorism, or linked to terrorism. The security was not due to her not wanting to meet people. She has some of those people going to 10 downing street today, doesn't she? Those very angry people that you are claiming she perceives as a threat to her safety (how vile).

hose very angry people that you are claiming she perceives as a threat to her safety (how vile

Vile is what the fucking Conservative party have done to this country.

monkeylovesrobot

What do you think of the Newsnight interview?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/17/theresa-may-avoids-questions-on-personal-response-to-grenfell-disaster

She's finished. You can't be a leader if your every interaction has to be orchestrated and on home turf, ie No 10 or the commons chamber.

Even her fans pity rather than admire her and are instinctively protective of her. Not the profile of a leader.

Seriously, Monkey, I can't believe that you'd actually suggest this is a safety issue.

Your posts are increasingly bizarre.

You're literally the one person in the country who has any word of defense for TM today.

I believe that it is not the fault or responsibility of one government; it is a category of failings across all governments from at least 2009 (if not before). TM did say the fire was awful and horrific. She did not and this is why you are angry say it was solely the responsibility of the conservatives - it is true that she did not say that - and i feel it is correct she did not say that. Several governments are involved with this absolute clusterfuck of a situation.

She has initiated the public enquiry, she has given people the timeline for when they will be homed, she has ensured the criminal investigation as all it needs to run efficiently, as she has done with the rescue and recovery operation.

"You're literally the one person in the country who has any word of defense for TM today"

Clearly you've not read the thread.

The government stated from Thursday that it was a security issue; they were very clear about that. Nothing bizarre in reiterating what they said. What is bizarre is all of those pseuco-conspiracy theories about the "real" reasons TM didn't visit - the reasons were given from the start.

I believe that it is not the fault or responsibility of one government;

I agree.
I agree.
I agree.

It doesn't change the fact that she's failed abjectly at this juncture.

What is bizarre is all of those pseuco-conspiracy theories about the "real" reasons TM didn't visit - the reasons were given from the start.

Do you think it's conspiracy to suggest that she's aware that people are absolutely, positively fed up with her inability to answer a single question straightforwardly and that she just can't deal with an angry fire victim? I don't think she's coping at all at the moment, and that's really the problem.

The government stated from Thursday that it was a security issue

the reasons were given from the start

Sometimes the Government lies. You really need to know that.

"and that she just can't deal with an angry fire victim?"

Victims from the fire are going to 10 downing street today; I am sure (and would hope) they are still angry about what has happened. TM has invited them.

Do you think it's conspiracy to suggest that she's aware that people are absolutely, positively fed up with her inability to answer a single question straightforwardly

THIS. She can't do it. The Newsnight interview is a great example of this.

And that makes people angry.

"Sometimes the Government lies. You really need to know that."

And sometimes people on the internet are intent on spreading factual crap suggesting "real reasons" with no knowledge of what was actually happening on the ground.

I too have pointed out that this is not the fault of one government alone. However, May's behaviour appears to be somewhat lacking in empathy. This is what people have picked up on. The anger is in part directed at the government, and rightly so. It's all well and good providing a timeline, but where are these people going to be housed, Kensington and Chelsea are already stating 'outside of the borough'. Whether that means Fulham or Birmingham is not clear. People are frightened, they've lost everything, in every way possible and now the powers that be wish to uproot them from what little they have left. May has offered no direction, no hope, no guidance to these people. Financially is it as much as she's offering from party funds to ex MPs? Again, nothing is clear. This whole thing has been obfuscatory, from start to finish. May has to go.

Yes, quite Orlantina!

monkey

In all honesty, her attitude and behaviour makes the "she was scared of meeting real people in an unscripted place" scenario much more believable than concerns over security.

That's the impression people have of her.

"'outside of the borough'" Ok, so I am not 100% certain on this but we were told (in Camden) that they would be house by neighbouring boroughs or in K&C- obviously I hope that if this is true, they've been told that too. I would also hope they weren't housed in tower blocks again.