Teresa May

[thegoodnameshadgone]

Might get crucified for this but....

She won.

She's had a lot to manage a response and a
Plan to deal with since she became PM.

I didn't vote for her. My partner did.

I feel a bit sorry for her.

Anyone else?

The cladding is legal in the uk, but banned in some other countries like the USA and Germany.
Inflammable cladding would have cost under £5,000 TOTAL more.
A decision was made to choose the slightly cheaper option.

It is very rare that a disaster can be the fault of one political party more than another. They are usually equally careless.

However, this may be the exception, because only the Tory party has been recklessly driving the removal of safety regulations - to save money.
Most other countries are increasing safety regulations, as science advances.

Tory MPs voted down a Labour amendment to make sprinkler systems mandatory in high-rise buildings., e.g. as in Germany.
No Labour, LDem or SNP MPs voted against.
In other countries, sprinkler systems have been shown to have prevented loss of life in high rise fires that would otherwise have been tragedies.

Even more worrying, the Tory govt in 2016 removed the legal requirement for new schools to be built with sprinkler systems.
This is the Fire Brigade Union warning against this
https://www.fbu.org.uk/blog/government%E2%80%99s-ruthless-decision-school-sprinklers-huge-mistake#.WUTZ0pykMYA.twitter

The Queen at 91 did her duty, as always and showed up to reassure the public
She doesn't do hugs

(Tory) Ted Heath was the most socially awkward PM I remember before May
It was often embarrassing to watch him try to interact
However, he knew his duty and he always showed up - and this was a time of severe IRA threat against the UK PM and the IRA were highly efficient bastards, not like the IS loser rabble.

"Tory MPs voted down a Labour amendment to make sprinkler systems mandatory in high-rise buildings."

Please could you share when this was and which date the amendment was voted for? I thought I had read them all yesterday and did not see this one.

There was the amendment to make homes for rent safe for human habitation.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/corbyn-tried-pass-law-make-homes-safe-last-year-conservatives-rejected/14/06/

Just found part of it (I think)

Surprise - Philip fucking Davies is talking

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2015-10-16/debates/15101634000003/Homes(FitnessForHumanHabitation)Bill

Then there's this:

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/12/tories-reject-move-to-ensure-rented-homes-fit-for-human-habitation

"Yet if I rent from a landlord, perhaps the only available property for me, and it was unsafe to live in then I can either put up or shut up. In a market where demand outstrips supply renters lack basic consumer power to bargain for better conditions.”

Not really the point Octopus but ok.

Well, actually, it was. Your point. If you're going to use emotive examples of people's suffering to make that point, at least get your facts straight.

She doesn't need to hug people - it would inauthentic. It isn't who she is.

But she has to go and look the victims and their families in the eye. She's the leader of this country.

She's scared and it's pathetic and she has to go asap.

And I'm not left wing!!

On a human level, I do feel sorry for her.

She finally got her dream job, and she has totally and utterly fucked it up. That must hurt.

However, she only has herself to blame. On the one hand, I pity her. On the other hand, I can't help but feel that she is only reaping what she has sown.

It's time for the Tories to go.

Highalert wins the thread

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nuff said OP.

Who wants a PM they pity?

No Octopus my point was that TM has failed as a leader because she doesn't care to make the people she leads feel important or safe or visible in society.

But you know, fuck it, carry on with your pointless side-commentary.

And you used a (wrongly-sourced) example, along with virtue-signalling your own "grief"," to take a pop at TM.

along with virtue-signalling your own "grief

There's nothing wrong with getting upset at the plight of others.

Some people dismiss that as 'virtue signalling'.

There's nothing wrong with getting upset at the plight of others.

Of course not. But neither should one have to exhibit that upset online/in public.

She;s an evil, baby killing, puppy torturing Tory, remember

Nope, but she does lead the party voting down a bill to make rented homes fit for habitation. This included fire safety. So in a way, the baby killing part is true after Grenfell. I feel sorry for the Grenfell dwellers burying their loved ones, not for the people who allowed this. This brand of politics is dead. It won't help the Tories to swap May for Rudd, Johnson or any other, either.

But neither should one have to exhibit that upset online/in public

And if someone does - then people like you shouldn't dismiss that as 'virtue signalling'.

The dismissal of grief as virtue signalling is depravity signalling.

Seriously virtue signalling? I feel genuinely sorry for you if you can't understand that people can have genuine emotions that aren't just for show. What a fucking attitude to go through life with.

And you know it really doesn't matter if they were his own kids, his nieces, his neighbours kids, whatever. He's still a traumatised person whose lost people and possibly his own home.

So fuck your obscene point scoring.

Nonsense. I think it's the people who have lost loved ones in this terrible fire, and those who witnessed awful things first-hand during and since, who are grieving.
People like us, who are watching from the comfort of our own homes are appalled, shocked, sympathetic and feeling a whole host of other emotions, but I wouldn't presume to say we are grieving.

And I don't feel the need to share with people on the internet whether or not I was moved to tears by what I've seen. Does that make me depraved?

Amy, YOU'RE the one point-scoring!

And I don't feel the need to share with people on the internet whether or not I was moved to tears by what I've seen

Some people do. Is that ok with you?

Many things about this world break my heart. And I will fucking say what upsets me about this event and other events and situations in the world.

Recent events have certainly shown how some people think though,

What points am I trying to score? I'm answering a thread, that's what this place is for.

Oh and you're right about one thing. I'm not grieving. But I care that other people are.

Makes me a right prick that, doesn't it? With my anonymous feelings I'm spreading all round the internet.

And I was correcting a fact.

There was a poster on another thread the other day, raging about the awful government forcing people to go out to work night-shifts when they're single parents who have to leave their children home alone. This was in reference to that poor 12 yr old who is missing. Her mum was indeed out at work, but the OP made a complete assumption that she was a single parent. There was in fact a dad on the scene, but he had gone down to visit a friend on a lower floor and couldn't get back up to his child. Hideous and tragic scenario. But I don't see how that poster was helping anything by hurling accusations around, based on erroneous assumptions.
There's been a lot of this on here and other forums in the last few days.

And I was correcting a fact

Is is still ok with you if people get upset over a situation and express their anger and frustration?

Or is that fucking virtue signalling?

would you still comfort them when they come crying that nobody likes them?

I've yet to see her whining that no one likes her actually.

Quite the opposite in fact - well aware that everybody hates & blames her she is carrying on, doing her job.

Cameron ran away at the first sign of trouble.

Other people are dodging, avoiding & ass covering at the moment (all parties).

• Osborne is glossing over failures that he helped to create.

• Harriet Harman is waxing lyrical about the Tories ignoring stuff that she herself ignored (sprinklers).

• Labour are blaming Tories for cuts, but it was John Prescott who screwed the fire service good & proper under Blair/Brown.

• Building regs reviews were ignored by all three main parties going back to John Major's time.

• Fire checks & refs were privatised for buildings under Labour & ignored by Tories & Lib Dems too.

• PFI & the race to the bottom for standards & contracts started under Labour & were perpetuated by the rest.

• Sadiq Khan is pissing about writing letters to govt & tweeting them when the councils within the city he is responsible for is failing to coordinate a major incident.

• Jeremy Corbyn is making bollocks suggestions about requisition, but appears to be doing precious little else.

They're all manoeuvring for themselves.

Meanwhile, the figurehead for hate is the only one that appears to be doing anything.