Aibu to be so angry with the tory government regarding grenfell

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Grenfell should not have happened. Austerity, cost cutting, ignoring the poor, helping the rich get richer, all this led to the horrific circumstances.

Tory response? Theresa May didnt even speak to the survivor residents. A tory minister cited security reasons, yet the Queen managed to come out and talk to the residents without issue.

Tories have form for voting against safety issues in housing. All to benefit the wealthy. It is utterly shameful that these are the people that run our country, who care only for the rich.

Sorry for abruptness Atenco - I just hate the way all this has turned into gleeful political point-scoring by politicians on both sides, everyone forgetting there are burnt corpses and people sleeping on floors because they're too busy having a wonderful time mudslinging. No one involved is innocent are they? It's exactly what katronfan says.

seahorse Didn't mind your abruptness actually. I am happy to be corrected when I am wrong.

The £5500 isn't going to go that far at all if they have to pay for their lost paperwork if they're not English. I can easily imagine it costing them a few hundred £££ in notary and embassy fees and then you may have the normal charges like you would if you lived in your birth country.

Unless these will be waived for the Grenfell victims?

Not to mention that in my home country they claim there's nothing they can do if you've lost both your birth certificate and ID card, but I hope it's just difficult not impossible to sort.

Yes it's not easy for them. You can get a replacement birth certificate if you lose one in the UK but I imagine it's hard with no ID as there are heaps of people out there (not involved in this tragedy) every day trying to get fake passports and ID and scamming people so we need very robust systems in place.

Can I just advise everyone on here and to tell others that it makes a lot of sense to store data. If you have an iphone I think it's automatic. If not if you can afford it you can pay a monthly fee to store data in the cloud. If you cannot afford that you can store stuff on a back up hard drive somewhere else. We try within the famil to send each other copies of things too so if one person was burnt out the others might have documents that might help or at least copies of them.

Particularly for me having family photos stored both on hard drive and the cloud comforts me as if the albums were burned at least those would be left.

Then I suppose people might forget the password but that's another issue again.

I think it's a bit easier to obtain paperwork over here, but hopefully they'll have someone managing this. Somehow I doubt it though.

A bit easier for British citizens obviously, the rest of us are at the mercy of our birth countries!

Scientologists set up shop at Grenfell Tower

No one involved is innocent are they?

One particular party right now is not being very humane to those relying on social assistance. They have made it the basis of their fetid ideological platform of failed and harmful austerity.

The 5.5K is not a loan.

Leaked leters have shown that no less than four ministers were warned about the fire risks.

same old tories

It is shocking how little the tories care

It is shocking how little the tories care

It is indeed, but one of the four ministers listed in the link you provided was a Liberal Democrat.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/labour-lib-dems-much-blame-tories-grenfell-tower/

Yes, Kensington and Chelsea is a Conservative-controlled borough but it turns out that is was far from alone in cladding its tower blocks with flammable cladding. Today, it emerges that five blocks in Labour-controlled Camden have also been clad with a similar material, which is now to be removed as quickly as possible.

Wow you have been busy posting that link on every thread.

This would not have happened if the Tories did not treat the social housing tenants and poor of north Kensington with utter, sneering contempt - however much you want to cover it up.

This would not have happened if the Tories did not treat the social housing tenants and poor of north Kensington with utter, sneering contempt - however much you want to cover it up

This would not have happened if whichever manufacturer who made these panels had not made panels which were wholly unsuitable.

Catminion Indeed. I thought that some facts were relevant to the discussions and particularly the Tory bashing, but perhaps not. Best just lay all the blame without reference to the facts, eh?

The manufacturer specifically stated in their literature that the panels were not suitable for high rise blocks.

But hey....its only poor people lets take the risk!

Alfie both Tory and Labour councils took the decision (somehow) to use these panels in high rise towers.

They all need holding to account. Doesn't matter who was in power...Labour, Conservative or whoever. Who took the final decision to use these panels? What was the climate of finances at the time? Who overruled who if the higher price panels were considered or advised?

People need hauling before the courts. You don't take risks with people's lives like this.

There hasn't been a decent Govt to support or serve the needs of the poorest for far too long. And I include the Labour Govt in that too.

The whole anti May,anti Tory agenda which has been nurtured and driven by the media is a complete joke. They ould have us believe that Ms May snook up on the block and lit a big cooks match at the base in order to purge some of the poor and clear space for the building of expensive mansions.

I am well aware of them but the decisions were taken by the people who owned the block who are in the main responsible for social tenants.

Private renters are also victims but I doubt the decision makers considered them either. At the end of the day they are paying that hideous amount of money because they are too poor to buy anywhere in London....they are sitting ducks too. They will just be seen as "tenants" and let's be clear that the private landlords don't have to check their properties for these panels. Just as bad in my opinion.

The whole anti May,anti Tory agenda which has been nurtured and driven by the media is a complete joke

Yes, the media has turned against Mrs. May bigtime and it makes a change from listening to the anti-Corbyn stuff that was nonstop since he was first elected leader of the Labour Party. I listen to BBC 4 from afar and they really don't have a clue about impartiality.

They ould have us believe that Ms May snook up on the block and lit a big cooks match at the base in order to purge some of the poor and clear space for the building of expensive mansions.

The police havent finished their investigation as of yet so do the have a definitive cause?

I would humbly suggest that a fridge caught fire. We dont know how or why that happened yet. Perhaps there was some neglect or abuse by the householder,maybe a manufacturer design flaw,yet to be discovered.

FB arrived, put out fire. The fridge was near the window, the fire must have penetrated the window structure,possibly by the glass breaking and/or the UPVC frame melting. Either way the flames must have licked outside.

FB thought they had put fire out,failed to inspect outside structure and didnt realise fire had now spread.

Cladding made of semi combustible materials installed effectively in what was a duct.

Ducting effect caused flames to blowtorch rapidly up the ducting between cladding and structure spreading horizontally by fracturing other windows and entering other flats. Cross flow of air between flats fanned flames.

So easy to be wise after an event. So many ifs,buts and maybe's