Aibu to be so angry with the tory government regarding grenfell

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Grenfell should not have happened. Austerity, cost cutting, ignoring the poor, helping the rich get richer, all this led to the horrific circumstances.

Tory response? Theresa May didnt even speak to the survivor residents. A tory minister cited security reasons, yet the Queen managed to come out and talk to the residents without issue.

Tories have form for voting against safety issues in housing. All to benefit the wealthy. It is utterly shameful that these are the people that run our country, who care only for the rich.

I am sick of May answering difficult questions with "Well, what I have done is..."

She's frozen like a robot. To be honest, I think many would crumble under this kind of pressure, but she either needs to connect with the public in a meaningful way or step down.

Why didn't the last Labour government build millions of homes for the poor, you know, "social housing"? Why didn't they ban "right to buy"? They hardly built any new social homes in 13 years of power. Instead house prices rocketed, buy-to-let boomed, the benefits bill went crazy paying huge amounts of housing benefit to private landlords and Tony "Socialist" Blair now owns multiple homes and is a multi-millionaire.

Sure, the Tories are shit, but please, don't forget that a lot of these problems were started or perpetuated by Labour.

correct me if I am wrong, but London has a mayor - who instead of spending time looking at what is within his power - talking to councils - etc. spent his time putting together a letter of demands for the Government, and then tweeting it where are his priorities - what are his duties?

Have a look here: www.london.gov.uk/about-us/mayor-london/mayor-and-his-team/role-mayor-london

• making London a better place for everyone who visits, lives or works in the city.
• providing Londoners with more affordable housing
• He has a duty to create plans and policies for the capital covering: [many, inc. Fire / Planning / Housing & Land / Regeneration]

and he has £17bn a year to do that.

so, whose responsibility is London and its housing?
we have a system of devolved governance - looks to me as though most of these issues land fair and square in the London Mayor's lap (Labour - maybe that explains why he is spending time blaming a Tory government).

Truth is we have had years & years of governments that don't really give a crap about this stuff, be it labour or Tory they have all let us down and it's been going on so long we only notice when terrible events make us see it.

Sure, the Tories are shit, but please, don't forget that a lot of these problems were started or perpetuated by Labour.

indeed. It's all tribalism.

However, with JC at the head, that guy has red all over him. He might be one to do some of the more radical things like ban right to buy, build like crazy etc.

Oh its so easy to blame someone. I don't remember Corbyn anyone promising to spend Billions on high rise flats. Corbyn was obsessed on giving rich students a free university education.

If we were living within our means then we could have afforded to build more houses. Unfortunately we are not, so spending is very constrained.

A lot of money was spent on this building. If it was spent badly that is incompetence. That is unlikely to be the fault of central government and your attempts to make political capital out if this situation I find profoundly distasteful.

Agree Mother - it does no one favours to try and turn this into a Tories are bad thing when the last gov to be in power for such a long no of years ie time to make real concrete changes .....they didn't - in fact it can be argued until Brown did tax credits at the end - the gap between rich and poor grew considerably under the last Labour gov.

Yanbu. I feel something is shifting in this country started with the election and now this. I think the conservatives are finished. I predict they will be voted out next election and spend years in the wilderness. People have woken up.

agree Karlos I am pleased other people find this distasteful as well. I am no bloody Tory either...I just dislike the way this is being turned for political gain.

YANBU. So very many tory decisions and failures have led to this tragedy and May's response has been deeply insulting and ineffectual.

I don't usually do party politics but this, on top of so many other recent government failures has led me to the conclusion that they need to go.

Yabu

And you know it!

That is unlikely to be the fault of central government and your attempts to make political capital out if this situation I find profoundly distasteful.

How is it making political capital to point out that politicians sat on and ignored the reports and recommendations that could have prevented or lessened this tragedy? If the recommendations from Lakanal House had been properly heeded, fewer, if any, people would have died at Grenfell.

Firefighters were working 4X longer in the fire than they were supposed to.
Crews and equipment came from Sussex and Surrey.

akkakk Fri 16-Jun-17 21:47:39

Thank you for that London Mayors List yes I do believe this is why he is squarely blaming a Tory government. I would not at all put the blame for this at his door - in no way, however seeing as fire and safety etc does also include his remit as Mayor he should be spending his time proactively telling us what steps he is taking in his powers to prevent this again in London.

Multiple agencies and people of all political stripes are potentially culpable. I say again that decent people are revolted by the use of this suffering for political ends. It's disgusting.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.thelondoneconomic.com/tle-pick/revealed-privatisation-cuts-planned-uk-fire-brigade/05/06/amp/

Multiple agencies and people of all political stripes are potentially culpable. I say again that decent people are revolted by the use of this suffering for political ends. It's disgusting.

^^ this 100%

What ever political angle you want to spin regarding who's to blame, I wish people would consider that there is no real hard facts out there on:

A) how many people and children lost their lives
B) what's caused the fire
C) what was the catalyst
D) and more importantly what's going to happen to those people who have lost their homes, children, family, friends, neighbours, all their belongings, family photos, the basics of their human existence...

It's in such poor taste to blame any government, current or previous. But if you want my opinion, they are all equally to blame.

Yanbu- that is what austerity looks like. It is totally disgusting. Austerity is bullshit; the people taking the most income from this country have not compromised their lifestyles at all. The poorest must not be forced to pay for their lifestyles any longer. There is this totally stupid assumption that wealth has a direct correlation with virtue. Whatever your views about spongers (or whatever label you give your prejudice), their children have no choice.

Personally I blame 2 things and Eric Pickles is to blame for both , austerity cuts to local government and the red tape challenge.
Cuts to LG lost many good very experienced staff to redundancy whilst the totally unnecessary, ideologically driven , red tape challenge withdrew perfectly sensible advice which was useful for those who were left to work with.
I have looked at the planning certificate today for the Renfell Tower improvements. The facing materials were subject to a secondary scheme to be approved after permission was granted. In days gone by these would also have been building control approved . These days I am not so sure.
I am not blaming individuals but a system which has left so many holes and so many potential accidents.

Multiple agencies and people of all political stripes are potentially culpable. I say again that decent people are revolted by the use of this suffering for political ends. It's disgusting.

Agree with you KarlosKrinklebeim. Absolutely right. And while we use it to further our own political purposes the real causes do not become clear and we have less chance of putting anything right or preventing it in future.

Yanbu OP.

I hope you're right *KERALA1

She's crap at her job and needs to resign.
I can't even look at her when she pops up on the tv to give her bare minimum interviews, blatantly not answering straight forward questions. She disgusts me.