Aibu to be so angry with the tory government regarding grenfell

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Grenfell should not have happened. Austerity, cost cutting, ignoring the poor, helping the rich get richer, all this led to the horrific circumstances.

Tory response? Theresa May didnt even speak to the survivor residents. A tory minister cited security reasons, yet the Queen managed to come out and talk to the residents without issue.

Tories have form for voting against safety issues in housing. All to benefit the wealthy. It is utterly shameful that these are the people that run our country, who care only for the rich.

Another great post and I totally agree. It's just awful. A witch hunt and nothing less.

And as for society has woken up and are making demands what a load of inciting bilge. We need some austerity, many previous labour voters like myself voted accordingly because of this and Corbyn's failure to acknowledge it. I suspect many would do so again. £10 million was spent, a fortune in many areas of the country. There was plenty of money to spend on safety which should have been the priority. Somebody screwed up, let's wait for the inquiry shall we before we become judge, jury,political activist and pundit.

I don't think it's worth my while having a conversation with someone with such intolerant and simplistic views Smell

What a very Tory response Cross of "you say things I don't like so I will try to make you feel silly by pretending you are too stupid to have a conversation with and hopefully you will shut up."

Ollie when the Labour Government were in,power I wasn't seeing regular articles in the media about benefits and scroungers. That started with the incoming Tory Government. ..it was so bad that I wondered if they were being fed by Conservative party central office. This was denied but the stories and articles were appalling. That for me is when the rot started, that's when the austerity started and "we are all in this together" mantra was being spouted. All in this together my arse....the rich have got richer, the trickle down effect never happened , the poor have got poorer and the sick and disabled have been absolutely shafted. Thankfully and finally society seems to be waking up to this.

The Labour Government did not tackle social housing either and have no glory. But at least they were not demonising poor people in the same way we have seen over the last decade.

Of course it's political. People don't want to examine their own behaviour so they will insist it is not, but it is.

I think it shows an astounding lack of empathy to see what has unfolded over the last few days and start carping about resident associations, what labour did ten years ago and moaning about peaceful protest at the town hall.

The front pages are about the politics. The discussion is about the politics. The people effected are being left to fend for themselves or find charity.

Tory social policy is based on Adam Smith"s myopic economics. You don't have to actually DO anything. If there had been anything wrong with that tower markets would have come along and fixed it.

It allows those in power to act like we are seeing them act - detached, round-eyed in mock wonder.

But as we see, that shit hurts people. Smith's "invisible hand" weilds the Reaper's scythe.

That she isn't showing the emotions in a way that a small minority would like?

michael portillo is part of that minority, as you put it.

I could name a few other too........

I would be equally angry had this narrative been pushed by a Labour Govt,

Any Government which takes the disabled community and decimates the support and benefits in the way this Government has done deserves contempt. I don't care who they are.

It is a photo op for some politicians. You apparently judge the genuineness of empathy and sorrow by outward outpourings. It is not too difficult for some to pretend.

Yes, give some space, including giving Mayor Khan the opportunity to meet the people as he is the mayor. This is not an insult neither is it showing a lack of empathy. It is about not capitalising on a horrendous situation and turning into 'see which political party is first on the scene and first to shed a tear'.

The way some people are going on, you would think that Theresa May took weeks before she met people. There are people grieving for the loss of loved ones. Politicians decesending on the scene may play to the anger of those thinking along political lines but nothing for the people who are grieving and who have suffered loss.

Stop politicising this tragedy. These horrendous things happen under Labour and Conservatives. A country is not immune from these tragedies under a Labour government.

Don't think for one moment that the majority of this country cannot see through this media agenda.

One small point of fact. It was a Tory controlled council and always has been.

It is not some random tragedy - the direct cause is the stinking attitude of the local TORY council towards social housing and their contempt for the non rich and therefore unimportant people in North Kensington.

I don't understand why people were saying the area was under a labour council? Kensington and Chelsea is conservative dominated with a smattering of labour.

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Before you join the Theresa May lynch mob here are some FACTS relating to the Grenfell tragedy..

1. The block of flats was run not by the Council but by KCTMO. This body is made up of 8 TENANTS, 4 councilors and 3 independent members.

2 Labour hold the seat that the block is situated in.

3 Labour run the London Council who manage the under funded London Fire Service

4 Emma Coad the sitting Labour MP for that ward also sat on the KCTMO.

5 The advice to stay put which Sadiq Khan has been so vocal about was given by the London Fire Service.

6 The decision to change contractors during the refurb was made by KCTMO.

7 The decision not to spend an additional £138k on fitting sprinklers was again KCTMO.

8 The decision to create ALMO organisation such as the KCTMO was made under the Right To Manage legislation passed in 2002
as part of the Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Act.

9 This was put in place to give leaseholders and tenants a greater say and the ability to self manage, which in some circumstances has clearly proven to be flawed.

10 Which Govt was in a charge when this law was passed? It was Labour.

11 Sadiq Khan as mayor of London Produced a report to say that the fire service did not need further funding.

12 Emma Coad elected Labour MP was on the board of the Tenant Management group who are being accused of not listening to tenants.

It's a modern lynch mob encouraged by bitter Labour MPs who having lost a close election want to destroy an elected government for a chance of a second election.

I didn't realise that Michael Portillo is more than one person, so much so that he and a few others could (by themselves) push a minority into the majority.

It has been an absolute disgrace how this tragedy is being used by people to talk about austerity, benefits, salary increases, etc. It shows that the victims' lives do not matter and that they are being seen as an opportunity to push an agenda. The forget that the core issue here is the building regs that are no longer fit for purpose.

I still don't know who are the rich versus poor. Who is rich and who is poor?

It is contempt isn't it?

Yes catminion, exactly- it is all about the attitude to the poorest people. The tone of that letter about the ball games was outrageous; never mind when it was sent. One can only presume that was an error.

And by the way I agree about the way TM is being vilified. We may not agree with her policies but there should be no place for this bullying in our democracy.

Yes I think some fail to realise that 2 weeks ago the Tories won their biggest share of the vote since 1983.

The attempt to whip this tragedy up into some kind of uprising is shameful.

It IS a political situation.

Not enough social housing.
What social housing there is has massive issues in some cases.
Labour need to take their fair share of blame here for doing NOTHING while in power to address the urgent housing needs out there.

If you are going to have businesses paying so little to their employees that their income needs topping up with tax credits to pay rent then it makes sense to provide affordable housing to ensure the rent is being paid back to the Government and NOT into the banks of private landlords.

And on top of that the determined attempts to shut down the voices of Grendel residents who have been saying for years to a Tory led council that a catastrophic fire was a risk.

They were not listened to and people are now very angry.

Creampasty there is so much wrong with your 'facts' I don't know where to start. But all it's about is trying to shift the burden of responsibility. There's really no point trying to have a rational debate with anyone who's determined not to deal with facts.

Fizbo that post is hilarious!

Thanks Creampasty. These are the facts that need to be brought out.

I am sick of the media and others constantly trying to mislead people. What has really gotten to me is the politicisation of this tragedy and the unwarranted abuse levelled at Theresa. It's all very wrong and people should not stay silent about it. Let the facts come out and let that small minority understand we gave eyes to see, ears to hear and enough brains to realise that this tragedy does not rest solely at Conservative or Theresa's door. In fact Labour has a lot to answer for.

Do go through fact by fact and explain why.

I was initially upset that Theresa May did not see residents when she visited but I now think she was strongly advised not to for her own safety which is fair enough.

She has since met with residents and is being updated daily about the situation. There is now a £5 million emergency fund,

People will have to be housed outside the area unfortunately because there is not enough social housing available in London. Nobody should have made promises that people would be housed inside the area because it just is not possible.

Kitty, tell us what's wrong with Creampasty's facts. Since you say that 'there is so much wrong with them' you should have no problems giving us a few.

Well I didn't say he made it a majority, did I?

I said he was part of your minority.

As for housing, it was reported that Jeremy Corbyn wants the vacant properties of wealthy people in the area to be ceased and used to rehouse the ex-residents of Grenfell. If you consider the slippery slope here, we should all be very afraid.