Aibu to be so angry with the tory government regarding grenfell

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Grenfell should not have happened. Austerity, cost cutting, ignoring the poor, helping the rich get richer, all this led to the horrific circumstances.

Tory response? Theresa May didnt even speak to the survivor residents. A tory minister cited security reasons, yet the Queen managed to come out and talk to the residents without issue.

Tories have form for voting against safety issues in housing. All to benefit the wealthy. It is utterly shameful that these are the people that run our country, who care only for the rich.

When there are many people In places where they could be trapped, such as an aircraft or a ship at sea, there are always regular fire drills to ensure that everyone can be evacuated in the shortest possible time. The marine and aviation industries have learned this lesson the hard way. Now, every ship has a mandatory lifeboat drill once they have set sail. And we are all familiar with the aircraft's emergency evacuation procedures because we go through it on EVERY flight we go on.

But as far as I know, not a single high rise block of flats in the UK has ever had such a drill. Why not? Why didn't the Fire Marshalls get everyone out safely? Because there were none.

I have listed to days of heartfelt, well-meaning comments from demonstrators, politicians, doctors, royalty, police officers and fire fighters. I've not heard anyone use the words "fire drill" once. Who knows how many lives would have been saved if there had been regular total evacuation fire drills of apartment blocks? If there had been any problems in evacuations such as blocked fire doors, or inadequate stairwells passages, these would have shown themselves up pretty quickly along with the hard evidence to back up the complaints.

If you think that regular fire drills would have made no difference to the dreadful casualties, ask yourselves why we absolutely insist that these drills are mandatory on planes and boats?

Foxdale been on many ferries and no fire drill. The theory for these blocks is that each flat is a unit with fire protection for 30 mins-1 hour. Residents are meant to stay in flat not burning and the fire service would arrive and extinguish the fire in the relevant flat.
People evacuating would delay the fire service reaching the relevant fire.
This went wrong, no-one knows why, but lots of people are blaming the Conservatives with no evidence at all.
Fire safety at smaller flats/homes and planes/ships are completely different.

carol in feeries/airplanes, they do fire/emergency drills with the crew, not passangers.

I can't get my head around how Conservatives and their supporters are so happy to see the UK become like some third world backwater. I find it mindboggling that anyone would write building regulations that permit a building to be clad in such flammable material. I spend my life translating things to do with construction and health and safety here in Mexico and every material is tested for things like flammability and toxicity. Even if the regulations didn't ban the use of this material, common sense would have said that it shouldn't be used.

As people get more desperate, history suggests that they're not going to rise in a mighty proletarian tidal wave and wash away their oppressors. They're gonna turn on each other.

Alan Moore

Who the fuck is Alan Moore? People have risen up as mighty proletarian masses in the past, but nowadays it is not such an option.

I don't blame Theresa May for initially not meeting residents. Her security advisers would probably have said a firm no.

Do I blame the Tory Government? You bet I do...and the coalition one before and the Tory one before that,

There has been a concerted effort to blame anyone poor for their situation. They are scroungers, workless, feckless, workshy etc etc...
If disabled they are faking it....they could do more and ATOS will make sure of it. Non medically qualified decision makers overlooking reams of medical evidence and causing heartbreak, chaos and sometimes death when they turn down a claim.

This narrative has been so successful ...in newspapers, magazines, television programmes and social media that society began to believe it.

So when decisions were made about cladding that tower block they got the cheapest more flammable option to save money. After all there's not likely to be a fire and austerity means we need to save money. Grendel residents raising concerns? They should be grateful for a roof over their head...and they got threatening letters when they were too vocal about their concerns,

A few weeks ago I despaired about people's humanity towards others. If the recent events have done anything for me it's a restoration of my faith in human nature being ultimately kind and caring.

Society has woken up and they are making demands ....time the Tories started to listen.

The coating on these panels is regarded as flame retardant.
It's only when they are broken that the inner bit is not.
Now reading that as a tech spec you may be lulled into a false sense of security. And choose inappropriately.
Often flame retardant means they don't catch light as easily, but will still catch light eventually. People don't see that though.

We have no idea whether the less flammable panels might have other consequences that we know nothing about. Look how asbestos was found to be brilliant at fire resistance, but many years later....

I don't think I have seen any one yet criticising whoever made these panels.

alfie
Do I blame the Tory Government? You bet I do...and the coalition one before and the Tory one before that,
you missed out the 13 years of LABOUR government

the posts on this thread are very nasty !

That could apply to any panels head, so is not an argument for using the flammable ones in any way.

Do you mean the Tory party donor who manufactured the panels? Labour didn't vote against the legislation to improve safety for tenants. Only 312 Tories did. People need to get real.

Who are the poor? Who are the rich?

Who are these rich people that are oppressing the poor?

According to many who subscribe to Jeremy Corbyn's philosophy, anyone earning over £80k is rich and should therefore be taxed within an inch of their life and the money given to those earning £79,999 and below.

I am extremely disturbed by how this tragedy is being used for political gain and to push a political agenda with a narrative about rich versus poor.

I think Labour is misunderstanding the mood of the people. The silent majority will push back hard and Labour must never forget that they did NOT win a majority. Most of the UK do not subscribe to Jeremy Corbyn's policies. Policies that will bankrupt the state, lead to generations of benefit dependency, undermine ambition, destroy public services, and squeeze to death an already squeezed middle.

The UK needs a sensible and balanced social system. What it does not need is an artifical division and war between ordinary people.

I should also add that the bullying of Theresa May is disgraceful and most people I know and overhear speaking about it are equally enraged.

I cannot bear to listen to LBC and others like the BBC. They go on and on and on. Abusing Thetesa May in a way that is completely wrong.

I think that if Theresa May was a man, he composed style would have been regarded as evidence of calm and strong leader. Alas, Theresa May was expected to breakdown in tears, hug babies and be all motherly and emotional.

This whole thing stinks and whilst I was not a supporter of Theresa May, I am beginning to cheer for her.

The woman has Brexit negotiations to deal with, recent terrorist acts, outcome of the elections, Grenfell and no doubt many more. The Jeremy Corbyn bandwagon sees this as an opportunity to break her and destroy her mentally, physically and politically. She is a human being and I'd be damned if I support this behaviour.

Stop using Grenfell as a political tool!!!

She's doing the damage herself..people are reacting to her behaviour.

Exactly how is she doing the damage herself? Also, why should she be subjected to this vile bullying?

Indeed, there are lots of questions to be answered bit Theresa May is not the only one that needs to answer them. This has been under a Labour council for years and the current mayor is Labour.

She is being criticised for her personality for the way she expresses her emotions and for not turning up to drink of the abuse in the way that a small minority thinks she should have. Forget that there were clearly huge security concerns. Oh no, the small minority would only be happy if Theresa May was given a good whipping but even then their happiness would be temporary. They would not be satisfied. They would criticise her for turning up and provoking the people to anger. The woman can't win.

Much of this criticism is based on how she composes herself, expresses her emotions, etc. All very sexist. A man would be praised for composing himself in the way she has. He would be seen as strong, rational, solemn, and regarded as a good leader for controlling his emotions.

No one would be praised for showing a complete lack of concern or empathy. Normally in a situation like this, psychpoaths learn to fake concern where it's due. Labour council...I can see why Tories like you are so keen to pass the buck. People have blood on their hands.

I see you didn't comment on this:

Do you mean the Tory party donor who manufactured the panels? Labour didn't vote against the legislation to improve safety for tenants. Only 312 Tories did. People need to get real.

Oh and what behaviour exactly are they responding to? That she isn't showing the emotions in a way that a small minority would like? That she chose to give the mayor of London the first opportunity to meet the people? That she choose to give the people some space instead of turning up and unhelpfully inflaming emotions? That she chose to heed security concerns? That she chose to speak directly to those personnel who were directly involved in resolving the disaster rather than look for photo ops and turn this tragedy into a political football?

That is all nonsense and you know it.

"Chose to give them some space".

Strange you call comforting people facing tragedy a "photo op".

Who have blood on their hands? Only the Tory government? Are you so biased that you are unable to consider that this tragedy involves failings across party lines?

As for the Tory supporter who manufactured the panels. I see you are on to some conspiracy theory rather than facing the fact that these panels were within regulation. Is it that if these were manufactured by a labour supporter then somehow that would be less of a problem for you? The Tory manufacturer won the contract under a Labour council. Are you claiming that there was so argy bargy going on (ie, corruption). I see no reason why a Tory supporting manufacturer should be discriminated against in a competitively run tender.

I am not a Tory supporter by any stretch of the imagination.