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Aibu to be so angry with the tory government regarding grenfell

574 replies

GreenTreesWithLeaves · 16/06/2017 20:47

Grenfell should not have happened. Austerity, cost cutting, ignoring the poor, helping the rich get richer, all this led to the horrific circumstances.

Tory response? Theresa May didnt even speak to the survivor residents. A tory minister cited security reasons, yet the Queen managed to come out and talk to the residents without issue.

Tories have form for voting against safety issues in housing. All to benefit the wealthy. It is utterly shameful that these are the people that run our country, who care only for the rich.

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Natsku · 17/06/2017 21:07

Were any of those 8 residents on the managing board tenants of Grenfell?

caroldecker · 17/06/2017 21:21

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Squeegle · 17/06/2017 21:23

Oh carol, you are talking balderdash. I don't think the kctmo was ever representing grenfell properly and neither did they.

grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/11/20/kctmo-playing-with-fire/

GloriaGilbert · 17/06/2017 21:35

Yup. That is it. People in social housing do need extra protection.

I'm not sure this sits well with me (apart from refugees who don't speak the language).

Doowappydoo · 17/06/2017 21:45

Why doesn't it sit well? And you slightly ruin your point by making an exception

Squeegle · 17/06/2017 21:46

It doesn't sit right with me that when you provide a service for others whether it is a private hotel, private rentals or social housing, that people should not accept they have a moral duty to look after those under their roofs. And yes I would say that often people in social housing do need looking after. To be honest, is it any greater than those in private housing? Possibly not - but the point is that we pay money to our councils in the expectations that they will put people first and make sure that those who are vulnerable are looked after.

plumtreelane · 17/06/2017 21:51

If the residents can't be arsed to vote once a year for their own benefit, why the hell should anyone else give a fuck?

What a vile blinkered human being you are. There are myriad reasons why marginalised people often do not engage in stuff like this. People like you just cannot see what life can be like for someone who isn't yourself, and your disdain for these victims is fucking disgusting tbh.

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SylviaPoe · 17/06/2017 22:03

'1 - the block of flats was run not by any council but by KCTMO. This body is made up of 8 TENANTS, 4 councilors and 3 independent members.'

Not true. The board is made up of those people. Of course the actual organisation is run by a group of executives. The board will have very limited powers. That's how voluntary sector organisations work. It's just to get some service user input.

Tannyfastic · 17/06/2017 22:03

Poor people die because of a lack of policy, rights, protections.
Everybody needs them.

Rich get policy, protection, legislation.
Poor get self help.

Gross inequality and inequity.
Check your privilege.
Ugh.

Tannyfastic · 17/06/2017 22:04

Victim blaming.
Sick

SylviaPoe · 17/06/2017 22:04

2 - Labour hold the seat that the block is situated in.

True. For the last week at least. Before that it has never been a labour seat.

SquidgeyMidgey · 17/06/2017 22:07

That post has been bothering me all evening. I voted Conservative in the last 2 elections because of Labour's wasteful spending but rather that, and save or help a few lives, than this. And I cannot align myself with the crap that some Tories are spouting. I try not to swear on here but fucking hell how inhuman can we be Sad

SylviaPoe · 17/06/2017 22:12

Squidgey, it's fine. Complaints about Tories around this issue are about the behaviour of people in power. You can't predict (and certainly aren't accountable for) what politicians end up doing. We can all only vote from a limited range of parties.

SewMeARiver · 17/06/2017 22:17

Carol You have absolutely no idea. None what-so-ever. We have a council house. Which I remain very grateful for, But if you knew half of the difficulties we have been through, it would take a very long post to detail them all. Black mould in a bathroom with sealed windows and no vents is just one of the things we have been living with. I cannot tell you the amount of times I have cried on the phone to the repairs team. We have had housing officers in, technical officers in, and gone through arbitration twice. All incredibly stressful and taxing. At one point, we had no bathing facilities at all save the bathroom sink. It took 3 months yes 3 months, to get an old broken down shower taken out and replaced. I have felt literally powerless, uncared for and yes hurt.

How do you think it feels when you have walls so damp you have furry fungus growing on it, and water dripping from your hallway ceiling, and you take your 'people power' and you go through all the channels, patiently, you call in your housing officer, you call in technical surveyors, you call the repair team and they all omm and ah and say xyz will be done and then nothing is done. You feel like you mean shit. You know what one technical surveyor told me after I mentioned the mould in the bathroom and hallway? He said 'just run the cold water before using hot' his entire tone was 'stop making a fuss, you should be grateful I've even come to have a look'.

You feel even shittier when your neighbours who own their flats talk to the same housing officers about some vanity project and they get the ball rolling and 'community' funds unlocked for unimportant crap like hanging baskets on the walls more or less straight away, all Whilst your roof needs fixing, your kitchen is so old it no longer complies with modern safety standards (and you are told it is 'acceptable' by an expert on behalf of the council, and find out later it needs 'complete reconfiguring' because its so dangerous) your drains are constantly blocking and your guttering doubles as a water sprinkler and money can't be found?

After years of complaints we are now having major works. But in estates like mine with mixed council and shared ownership we have a conflict of interest. The home owners resent the bill (which I sympathise with to a point) and have opposed most of it, paying for independent assessments (the estate shares a communal roof) which has held up the work. I do not feel I have the clout they do. I have no doubt the council, in trying to please them has taken the cheapest contractor possible using the most 'cost effective' materials. Now after complaints, drains and guttering are not included in this initial refurb and have been put off to 'further consultation later'.

It really can be a struggle and very intimidating to get things done, to get things moving to talk to professionals who insist things are fine when they are not. And I am reasonably articulate, able to write letters etc.

I am absolutely livid over what has happened to those poor people in Grenfel. I was ready to march with them yesterday but had concerns about possible violence which I would not have blamed them for. And there are hundreds of thousands of people I'm sure who can identify. I can honestly say had any of my family or friends been caught up in that I'd be ready to commit murder. They have been so failed.

And of course its political. RTB and the reduction of affordable council stock, no incentive to replace them, is why homes cannot even be guaranteed in a borough like KC for the residents who are homeless! Ridiculous!

Plus the media narrative of renters as losers in life, takers, and benefit free loading scum. It has been out of hand for some time now. Yet broadly tolerated, absorbed regurgitated as truth. How many programs on people on benefits has channel 5 and channel 4 and the BBC run in the past two years? I think channel 5 had 'benefits by the fucking sea' or some shite at one point.

Really something like this was always just a matter of time. And yes I mostly hold the Tories accountable, despite not wanting to actually, politics is never black and white, I know that. However, it is not a coincidence that the party has embraced a leader incapable of at least pretending empathy for those with lives less blessed than hers, and hasn't until now, had a problem with it. Because it cannot see a problem with it. It hasn't been deemed important or necessary.

CrossWordSalad · 17/06/2017 22:18

Sylvia I think that might refer to the council seat, not the MPs.

SylviaPoe · 17/06/2017 22:21

Thanks Salad.

Smellbellina · 17/06/2017 22:23

I am not angry at them, I am angry at all the people who vote for them, and continue to try to justify that choice.
We all knew what they stood for.
Ignorance is no excuse. It's a choice.

Boomcack · 17/06/2017 22:27

What us also making me angry at the moment is some sections of the media as well people saying, people are "playing the blame game" when they are legitimately raising concerns about this disaster. To me that's the equivalent of saying Black people are "playing the race card" when legitimately raising concerns about racism. If it wasn't for people on the ground speaking up as well as celebs, some of the information out there would not be there currently.

Tanith · 17/06/2017 22:30

If the residents can't be arsed to vote once a year for their own benefit, why the hell should anyone else give a fuck?

Because the very least anyone has a right to expect in any decent society is that the home the authorities have put them in will not burn down overnight with them and their families in it AngryAngry
They should not need to attend ANY bloody meeting to ensure this basic human right.

Do you really need that pointed out to you!?

CrossWordSalad · 17/06/2017 22:36

I am not angry at them, I am angry at all the people who vote for them, and continue to try to justify that choice
We all knew what they stood for
Ignorance is no excuse. It's a choice

Goodness. Now it's not just "the Tories" and TM's fault that so many people died in the fire, but every Tory voter too. This country is getting into really deep water. If people keep stoking division, at some point we will reap what we sow.

Could someone spell out the detail a bit more though, especially after Bonkers informative post about the KCTMO, exactly how we definitely know this is all "the Tories" fault?

SylviaPoe · 17/06/2017 22:40

I am certainly no fan of the tories, but I agree with Salad that the level of tribalism and division in the UK seems to be growing all the time, and I find it frightening.

Smellbellina · 17/06/2017 22:41

Of course it's down to what people have chosen to believe, support and vote for. Which part of democracy do you not understand?
If people keep stoking division, at some point we will reap what we sow.
You feel it's people "stoking" division? I think you meant flames as per the usual expression, only a little to close to the truth perhaps.

Smellbellina · 17/06/2017 22:42

I am certainly no fan of the tories, but I agree with Salad that the level of tribalism and division in the UK seems to be growing all the time, and I find it frightening.
But surely not a surprise?

SylviaPoe · 17/06/2017 22:46

Salad, it isn't all the tories fault, there are also deregulation issues from the Blair government.

It is a combination of factors - deregulation of fire safety, austerity cuts reducing the number of neighbourhood officers who were responsible for risk assessments, fire service cuts, reduction in fire inspection times under austerity, cuts to trading standards and other safety checks, overall reduction in social housing numbers leading to overcrowding.

And that's before we get to the response.

But there are many different elements put in place by both governments that have combined and created a perfect storm.

On a separate note, someone on the thread has claimed that the EU was planning (up to this fire, don't know what will happen now) to pass these panel types for fire safety, so have no confidence in them looking out for our interests either.