To hate Lily Allen

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I can't stand her. Always popping up somewhere that she's not required to put her 2 cents in. It's like her music is so shit and unpopular she's decided to just stick her oar in wherever she can now. I've never disliked anyone this strongly before (that I've never met!)

I suppose it depends what media you watch or read.

I've kept reading about how the residents have been let down, but then maybe it's because I tend to read the Guardian.

Unless you want personal tragic stories paraded in front pages.

Unless you want personal tragic stories paraded in front pages

Whether I want it is immaterial. My point is that's what the media usually does. They are not now (or at least they weren't yesterday - I haven't seen the papers today).

Why are they not?

If this was a terrorist incident you can be sure we'd all know about the children "missing".

Why not with this fire? What is their agenda? (There is always a media agenda).

Oh, The Telegraph is not forgiving either.
From the online first page:

Grenfell Tower
Theresa May admits response was 'not good enough' as 58 missing people are now presumed dead

(I suppose they could have given the total number on the title)

But...

17 Jun 2017, 9:00pm
Decades of neglect
Warnings over 'deathtrap' high-rise building cladding 'ignored' for years

The residents are being minimised in the coverage

Absolutely.

Oh, it looks like 58 IS the total number, as the first victim has only now been identified.

I don't think it is an agenda. I think they don't know who was in the flats.

There was one piece on the BBC about the three identified victims yesterday that spoke about them like they were human beings and a little in the Guardian. The victims were front and centre in the manchester attack which was not done inappropriately and they're not here. It's not ghoulish to want the victims to be acknowledged as human beings with hopes, dreams, lives like the rest of us. Or even to be acknowledged that they even existed.

Exactly because only very few have been identified yet, I suppose.

Terrorist and fire tragedies are different.

Maybe it's personal, but I don't feel the need to know the stories of the people affected. It doesn't matter to me if they were petty criminals or model students.
They are people who died and shouldn't have.

The story that concerns me here is why so many had to die.

Well perhaps they'll get that all packaged up nicely for you next week.

Until then, there is the challenge of finding victims' families -many if whom will be abroad - and letting them know and trying to give relatives the fullest picture they can before they start releasing personal information to the media.

You cannot not compare this to recent events and how it's been covered. I did not and will not watch the burning building for example as I find that utterly disrespectful to the people that were dying in it, it's not about rubbernecking.

There are comparisons to how Hillsborough was covered in the media and I think it's massively important that this is not allowed to happen.

Waits for sarky comment and noughty face.

""It takes time to confirm the dead and the media have reported the numbers that have been confirmed, plus they have kept saying how many are still missing.
It's not the media's fault if people (you too) choose to ignore what the "missing" means.""

But they weren't missing and aren't they are dead.

There are 22 children from the same Nursery "missing", toddlers don't go missing, so they are dead. A five-year-old got separated from his Parents and neighbour on the stairs, he isn't missing, he is dead.

It is being minimised and LA was right to say that it was from the start.

They can't say those children are dead because the bodies haven't been identified yet.
That is responsible reporting.

The point is that they are saying who and how many are missing.
It's clear to the public that those are people that are probably dead. Or at least it should be.

The five-year-old has now been identified, but he was missing' when they were still doing a recovery job, rather than rescue, he wasn't missing from that point, which was on the day of the fire, by 3pm.

""They can't say those children are dead because the bodies haven't been identified yet. ""

But they have used 'presumed dead' in lots of other situations.

If they minimised to stop public disorder, then fair enough, the hospitals/Police /Firefighters were at their limits, but don't treat us like we are idiots.

Those days are gone.

It's all terrible. A fireman today was saying he and his team were to go to a particular flat, 14th floor, as the operators had been on the line and they were going in to rescue those specific people. Instead he met people on the 10th floor and got them out alive - right judgment in my view asmay have been too late for 14th and had he not helped the 10th floor people they would have been dead too but such dreadful decisions had to be made.

but don't treat us like we are idiots.

You'd be an idiot if you didn't realise that missing at this point is the same as presumed dead.
I'd say they are not assuming people are idiots.

I also don't buy the accusation of not wanting upheaval, when all media are pointing fingers making politicians responsible for this tragedy.

Maybe it's personal, but I don't feel the need to know the stories of the people affected. It doesn't matter to me if they were petty criminals or model students.
They are people who died and shouldn't have

The story that concerns me here is why so many had to die

Well said.

There are 22 children from the same Nursery "missing", toddlers don't go missing, so they are dead.

But they really cannot 100% know that. Suppose, for instance, one of those children was away with relatives that night and it hasn't occurred to the relatives to notify someone that he's OK?

Someone put it beautifully on twitter yesterday.

"Lily Allen thinks she's a radical, left-wing saviour of the poor & disadvantaged, but in reality, she's just a silly, spoilt little rich girl"

And someone else said

"Why does a middle class privately educated girl who comes from a wealthy family think she is the voice of the working class?'

Basically Lily is an irritating little oik who always has to get her irritating little face into everything that involves non whites being treated badly. She really really really fucks me off!

Her interview was dropped from newsnight, because nobody cares about this boring washed-up ex pop star's opinions, especially as they are all drivel.

Meanwhile, here are some pictures of Lily's 4 million pound mansion in the Cotswolds where there is not a refugee or non-white person to be seen................ go figure............................

What's that you're saying NotKnown? A multimillionaire has-been popstar using her rapidly diminishing fame for self promotion to claim solidarity with the "ordinary folk"? Bless her. She is the new People's Princess and that's how she will remain in our hearts

Being wealthy does not stop a person from having compassion. We need more celebs to have a social conscience not less.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/what-official-grenfell-tower-death-10642134

I thought this summed up pretty well why they haven't released a figure.

Being wealthy does not stop a person from having compassion. We need more celebs to have a social conscience not less

No one said it did. But being wealthy doesn't mean you should stick your oar in to everything just to say something. I'd rather listen to a homeless immigrant with a point than a load of waffling shit from a rich person. It's what and how it's delivered, not who delivers it.