To think Labour should save their political point scoring re Granffell tower for later on

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I'm actually quite disgusted that Labour are yet again using a tragedy to score political points (as they did with the terrorist incident) so soon after the event.
Yes questions need to be asked, but it seems inappropriate to be doing that right now, when we should all be pulling together and focusing on the victims of this awful accident. There is no need for the political point scoring today.

I think they are happier with his approach than Mays yes. And I am very happy to be corrected

The local people have been very vocal that they want answers now. Jeremy has only been repeating what they are saying.

Has anyone mentioned Harriet Hartman yet on this thread? She was the MP for Camberwell in 2009 when six people died in a fire in a tower block. There were found to be a number of failings in fire safety there and concerns were raised about cladding then. The council was fined around £500 000. Hartman was an influential figure in the Labour government at that time. Why didn't she do something about safety in tower blocks then. People died in her flipping constituency ie her constituents. That's appalling. She's meant to be a voice for them and she had the power to make change. I saw her on Sky news earlier on and she was a bit muted and less superior in her tone than usual. Could she be worried someone will point this out?

Anyone with any doubts about what the survivors and residents watch should watch the many interviews of them - including the ones of them speaking to Jeremy Corbyn. They too are furious and demanding answers. They directly ask him to go and "speak for them". They have been ignored for too long.

Miss let me help you tip that barrel you are scraping you might get a bit more

Sigh the report came out in 2011...that hekp? who was in power. sigh sigh sigh

Also Miss Eliza - you are wrong about Harriet Harman. She was very vocal in the commons today about the fire in her constituency and about how the inquest took too long - until 2013. And she was vocal about the fact that even then the reccomendations weren't followed when Grenfell was refurbished.

Harman was very very vocal about the fire in her constituency and was the one who pushed for an immediate inquiry.

The inquiry took until 2013, by which time Labour were out of power. I distinctly remember her being vocal about the Tories ignoring all the recommendations from it.

Also, Councillors are responsible for Council matters such as housing. MPs just represent you in Parliament. While MPs can take up housing and cases as part of their casework, they don't have any direct influence or control over local authorities - Harman cannot make tower blocks safe in Peckham, other than make sure safety legislation is passed in Parliament.

May will not be there

I find it quite disturbing that posters on this thread are criticising Labour for politicising a tragedy and then doing everything possible to discredit and criticise Labour. This is undoubtedly political - social housing, building regulations, the conditions of the emergency services are all inherently political. It doesn't have to be Party political - and the people making it so seem to be all those saying "yeah, but what about Labour"

It is disturbing yes. But that's what professional hairy hands do

Now JC wants the state to seize "empty" flats to house people. How would that even begin to work? whilst I am hugely saddened by what has happened, the idea that a british government could just take over/back private property with little or no notice is worrying. And would doubtless lead to enormous compensation claims. To say nothing of issues with insurance, repossession if families refused to leave, possibly breaching the flat owners' long leases...

As regards the Inquiry and any delay, there will have to be inquests into the deaths which may get us some answers quickly.
I hope so.

You see this is what I mean...right seizing property yes Daily Fail

There are 1000s if empty properties in that area. The council SHOULD have an emergency process in place to take control if need be

What if this was a terrorist attack with 1000s of people displaced...shall we put them all in fucking tents?

I'm not scraping any barrel. I'm genuinely appalled that six people died in a fire in a tower block in one of the richest cities in the world. I believe there have been failings by everyone involved over the last couple of decades which has led to this disaster.

So that's why you start ranting about disabled benefits....OK

and you'd square that with the human right not to be arbitrarily deprived of property how, exactly? Remember the fuss from labour only a few weeks ago about the human rights act being "torn up"?

Apologies Miss wrong thread

Firstly I think those directly involved with Grenfell Tower need to be made culpable, possibly criminally. Secondly we need to know exactly what went wrong so we can make sure it never happens again. I'm concerned if it descends into a political blame games it's going to divert attention from what went wrong and what needs to change.

The guardian has a useful flowchart on who's related to it and their role. They're also saying the cladding was actually meant to be green/sustainable :(

Dandandandandandandan

Russian Billionaire oligarchs shouldn't be subject to human rights act. They have no intention of ever living in these houses - they exist purely to 'invest' their money somewhere outside of their country. It's a disgrace.

Now JC wants the state to seize "empty" flats to house people

I'm guessing you've heard of 'buy to sit'. You buy a residential property, with no intention of ever letting it or living in it. It just sits empty as a safe place to store your money. In much the same way you'd buy an expensive painting and keep it in a bank vault.

Not sure I agree with seizing them to house people after a disaster like this but I do think that there should be absolutely huge taxes on this sort of 'investment'.