To think that young people came out in record numbers for one simple reason that most people are missing?

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I believe that young people came out in record numbers because they wanted to vote for someone they could trust.

TM like many politicians before her see no problem in going back on her word. She is not alone in this and politicians have been guilty of this from both the right and left side of politics.

Despite your reservations or views on JC it is clear he has not gone back on his word since being elected as the leader of the opposition. He has stood by his word and fought a campaign based on policies he believed in and refused to use dirty smear tactics.

Perhaps people generally are sick of being lied to and electing politicians that seem to showmen/careerists first and representatives of the people second.

My 18 year old voted labour. She did loads of researching and looked at manifestos and basically labour came out on top. DH and I both voted labour but she was unaware of that till afterwards. It was entirely up to her who she voted for.

I get triple locked state pension, free bus pass, winter fuel allowance and free TV licence.

As I get a work's pension, that's added to the State amount and is taxable. See no reason why winter fuel allowance shouldn't be added to my tax return, alongside free TV licence - benefit in kind.

Years ago, long before free bus passes, our Gran received a free bus pass from the local Council - though had to pay £5 (?) a year for it.

Use the money collected to pay towards Social Care. I'm sure that could be sold to the elderly.

The two 'youths' in our family were part of the extra 2.5 million who voted for TM, mobilised by Corbin and a disbelief in his ability to pay for any of his bribes.

Poster up thread mentions thr "frenetic and frenzied" posting on social media of her dsd just before the election.

I am pleased that young people voted in increased numbers and any engagement in the political process is to be applauded, but it does seem that a lot of them were whipped up into - as that poster says - a "frenzy" and the jeremy Corbyn cult thing is frankly weird.

Dd gets Kerrang and was annoyed about jeremy Corbyn and the # Emos4corbyn line. I'm quite positive that Jc is not a regular kerrang reader and he looks more of a jazz or folk man than a grime afficianado to me.

the jeremy Corbyn cult thing is frankly weird.

I do think it is slightly - to some people it seems Corbyn is the second coming and can do absolutely no wrong. Which is also odd as most of these are also staunchly anti Brexit but have no issue with his lacklustre involvement in the Remain campaign. However, I don't think this is just young people or all young people who voted Labour.

Presumably you have no problem with the top 5% voting for the tories to avoid paying extra tax?

I do actually, as a member of that 5% who voted labour

Spot on moomin. Me too. DP, I and many of our friends want to pay more tax if it means decent services for all.

My parents are as well and both voted Labour. Many people in my area also did who are in that "top 5%".

Given many of the seats in London which elected Labour MPs, a number of the said 5% will have voted Labour. The swing can't entirely be young people.

Lady I think the fact he is in Kerrang indicates the editors of the publication feel their readership would be interested in him rather than suggesting he has any liking for rock... asimilarly with the grime supporters - their support suggests they like him, not the other way round!
I'm sick of all this talk of 'bribes' and 'sweeties' too. Have many of you forgotten about the 129 economists who supported the Labour manifesto? read about it here if so

It is so depressing that a pp seems to think that Labour voters have no aspirations and no intention of supporting themselves. What the fuck is wrong with people seriously? It's like they have digested a Daily Mail A-Z and have no ability to think for themselves.

Exactly Tinkly What's wrong with those who can afford it, paying taxes for good public services?

Exactly Tinkly What's wrong with those who can afford it, paying taxes for good public services?

Quite. It's a necessity in my opinion. Good public services are vital and benefit everyone.

My DS voted Labour because he's an intelligent young man with a social conscience. He believes strongly that we should look after our more vulnerable members of society.

He has a profoundly disabled brother, who relies heavily on the NHS, and voted for the party he felt would give his DB the support he needs in the future - not throw him and other disabled people on the scrap heap like the Tories would like to.
Education cuts were also a motivating factor to him.

As a fairly young person (30? Is that young?) I have aspirations - my aspiration is to help others. I honestly think that even if Corbyn delivered on every single promise I, personally, wouldn't be better off than I am now. But I can see how many others would be, and I voted for them.

Free uni probably was a big draw, but I reckon housing might have been even more important.

My DCs didn't vote Labour. They have aspirations. They also believe in supporting themselves. They have personal pride.

How ridiculously goody is THAT?

Okay well I can see that my OP was badly worded in as much as I obviously understand that not all young people voted for Labour and even those that did had a plethora of different reasons for doing so.

However I still think that trust played a much bigger role in peoples decisions than many other reasons being currently flouted, especially bribes. Lets face it, if you can not trust the actual politician to deliver, then there is zero point in voting for any policies at all.

if you can not trust the actual politician to deliver, then there is zero point in voting for any policies at all

In that case why did anyone vote at all?

when I was a student I was anti establishment full of ideals with little regard for practicalities. Rather like corbyn really. I grew out of it. Come 2022 I'd say prob half of this students wouldn't give corbyn the time of day. Even I voted labour as a student

Underestimating the youth is what lost the Tories their majority. You'd think they'd have learned...

The view that Labour's 'bribes' were unaffordable needs to be challenged.

Last week the Times reported, 'Uber avoids £40m Vat bill', I reckon that would be a good place to start, as well as Apple, Amazon and so on, who sell lots of stuff in this country and yet avoid tax. We're the world's fifth largest economy, we can afford what we want to afford.

And. There is a magic money tree; since 2009 the Bank of England has grown £453,000,000,000 of it but decided to give it to the bankers not nurses.

For once a really good article in the Guardian.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/06/magic-money-tree-theresa-may-banks-nurses

*"if you can not trust the actual politician to deliver, then there is zero point in voting for any policies at all"

In that case why did anyone vote at all?*

You completely missed the point of this thread. Which is that some people did trust Corbyn enough to vote for the first time.

petronius

I would love it if tax revenue could be increased to fund public services, but I'm afraid nothing is that simple.

I think the OP is right.

Thanks for the link Petronius16. Great article!

I particularly like this quote:

Does anyone who has witnessed the pomp and circumstance of the Queen’s Jubilee, the funnelling of public money into Syrian airstrikes, or the systematic cutting of taxes for the rich really think we’re not paying nurses properly because we simply don’t have the money? Absolutely not: we don’t pay nurses properly because the government makes a choice not to. This fact calls to mind the words of the Texan minister Robert Fulghum: “It will be a great day when our schools have all the money they need, and our air force has to have a bake-sale to buy a bomber”.

My dd voted Labour because of the tuition fees, and only that.