To think that young people came out in record numbers for one simple reason that most people are missing?

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I believe that young people came out in record numbers because they wanted to vote for someone they could trust.

TM like many politicians before her see no problem in going back on her word. She is not alone in this and politicians have been guilty of this from both the right and left side of politics.

Despite your reservations or views on JC it is clear he has not gone back on his word since being elected as the leader of the opposition. He has stood by his word and fought a campaign based on policies he believed in and refused to use dirty smear tactics.

Perhaps people generally are sick of being lied to and electing politicians that seem to showmen/careerists first and representatives of the people second.

Maybe you're right. I would like to see the current tax take used better before I pay more tax. I don't believe that throwing money at something is necessarily the answer. The NHS is a good example of this - there seems to be so much waste, money thrown away by Labour with the PFI projects that we're all still paying for now. The NHS does much much more than it was supposed to do - where will it all end?

I think it's more that Momentum are using him than he is 'exciting'.

I genuinely think this hits the nail on the head!

Corbyn was the underdog and some sections of Britain love an underdog! It's the Susan Boyle effect - take someone who looks the least likely to succeed and polish them up and whip up a frenzy of public support. I suspect he is as amazed by his own success as much as his critics - in some of the interviews he does seem slightly bemused!

Momentum used 'guerilla marketing' techniques to raise his profile - things like urging members to place bets on Corbyn winning in order to shorten the odds, and to flood the BBC with complaints about non-labour coverage at every possible opportunity.

Corbyn's greatest strength - that he is a loud and passionate campaigner - plays into they (Momentum's) hands as it is directly the opposite to the media-shy Theresa May. But beyond the words, there is no evidence that he'd be any good at being able to actually DO what he proposed - he has no government experience, and quite frankly, I don't think he really wants any! After all, the minute he gained any control he would automatically become part of, and (mostly) subject to, the rules establishment!

Strange times.

I think it's multi-factorial, and it's short-sighted to put Labour's popularity with young voters down to one or two factors.

I am in that age group, and everyone I know voted Labour - but all for different reasons. My reasons were slightly different to DP's, were slightly different to my brother's, etc.

I will also say that I know of nobody who was swayed by the tuition fee promise - and we're the cohort currently paying £9k/yr, who were shafted by the coalition government. That isn't to say there aren't people who were, but on the whole, there are bigger fish to fry.

I will also say - and this isn't aimed at anyone in particular - that we 'young' voters can't seem to win whatever we do sometimes. We don't vote, we're lazy and apathetic. We do vote, we apparently voted for the wrong people, we're idealistic, we've obviously been bribed, won't somebody think of the magic money tree?!

(FWIW, I have voted in everything I have been eligible for - including 2GEs and 2 referenda)

OP, your title sounds like clickbait from Buzzfeed. Of course young voters are full of bouncing, dewy-eyed enthusiasm. They'll soon be as disillusioned as the rest of us.

StillDrivingMeBonkers
And what if you kids wake up one day with a disability that means they can't support themselves?
Everyone has aspirations and I would say the majority of youth in this country would like nothing more then to be able to support themselves in the future but the best laid plans do not always work out do they?
Maybe if would be good to teach your kids that that sometimes things happen that are out for your control and it's how you deal with those things that is important.
I woke up one day when I was 20, went to work and had a seizure, I was diagnosed with epilepsy, lost my job and couldnt work for three years as I was having 20+ seizures a day. My plan for my career was shot at and I had to rethink and replan everything.
It's alright saying I will always support myself and not have empathy for those who can't (and I am guessing by your post that you and your kids have very little empathy for those who can't support themselves) but in my experience (and I do have lots of experience in this field supporting people who find themselves or a partner or child with a disability) it those people who struggle the most coming to terms with and adapting.

They feel guilty that they have actually become the one thing that they used to think they would never be- supported by others including the state.
This happens a lot more then people think, in fact over 1 in 3 workers will have to deal with a long term or permanent disability or illness that will affect their ability to work.
The chances are (and I hope not) that one of yours kids or their partners or kids will go through this. Just hope they will be able to deal with it and the support they need with still be there

I'm old, voted Labour as did many friends. We are thrilled the young decided it was costed (unlike the Tories) and deliverable.

My DCs didn't vote Labour. They have aspirations. They also believe in supporting themselves. They have personal pride

My DC also have aspirations and aim to support themselves after uni- however, they also recognise that not everyone is in the fortunate position of being able to do this. They voted labour because they have a social conscience.

It's tuition fees and the housing market OP.

Morevotersarebeci kng losers in the rigged housing market than winners. It's tipped.

I think it's because they're entitled millenials who heard someone promising them the world on a platter and rather than question whether it would happen, wanted all they could grab with their greedy paws.

I'd also say that many of the children I know / teach voted for the Conservatives so it's a bit simplistic to assume that the youth all voted for Labour.

I'm not in the young category but in the 'typical labour supporter' category for the judgey ones.

I also have aspirations - I've put myself through uni whilst raising a disabled child - alone.

I believe in supporting myself - I've worked since I was 14yo! Even when I was raising said disabled child and doing my degree.

However I could never have done this under a Tory government who doesn't believe in supporting others to support themselves. Who believes cutting services is the best thing for this country.
Yet unable to realise the cuts they've made to education are driving children with Sen out of schools because they can't manage without support which in turn drives parents into Pt work or low paid jobs to fit in around driving the children to schools miles from home because despite the cuts there's still some bloody good ones out there.

That in turn costs the economy more.

I remember when jobs existed for parents (usually 2nd working parent) from 10-2 when children were at school. Nowadays it's either stay home and need TC or honour to work FT and need Tc towards childcare.

Something seriously went wrong with the economics of this country decades ago - but I don't think plunging people into poverty to improve matters is the correct or humane thing to do.

JC at least has the integrity to stand by what he says. He was so obviously answering questions honestly compared to TM script reading.

Today 12:41 StillDrivingMeBonkers

My DCs didn't vote Labour. They have aspirations. They also believe in supporting themselves. They have personal pride.

Don't tar all the youth with the same brush.

StillDriving my 18 year old dd voted Labour because she believes in supporting herself AND those less fortunate than herself.

A for aModernApproach.

Another one, good grief - exactly what are the older generation voting to protect their precious pension lock and complaining about funding their own care in old age then? After having benefitted all their lives from welfare in one form or another that they begrudge to the youngsters? Which generation is it that's producing all the landlords versus the one producing those who have no choice but to rent all their lives? But go on, keep complaining about 'entitled millenials'.

I think youngsters of the privileged classes are indeed very entitled, but if you go out to the poorer areas of the country youngsters are working harder than ever before. Regional and class differences may be part of the difference in perceptions of the young. Either that, or people like aModernApproach simpky don't know any youngsters and are reading too much right wing 'divide and conquer' propaganda.

Those pesky kids, who prefer to live in avocados and work two jobs because they are needy? Isn't that the chat?

I think BigDamnHero has it.

Not voting caused the Brexiteers to win the referendum.

Since then, the debate about that alone has probably convinced them to shift their apathetic arses.

It doesn't matter which way the little scrotes voted, the fact they did is a HUGE improvement.

Involvement in politics is a good thing.

There will never be hard evidence that more young people voted unless someone goes through the lists and correlates who turned up against their ages. There will never be hard evidence as to how the young voted unless someone goes through the ballot papers themselves. These things can be done but have not been.

We do know the age split in constituencies, and so we can GUESS that in some places more younger voters turned out. All the statistics being peddled as fact are either those guesses, or extrapolations from small polls.

The verifiable facts are the turnout overall and the votes overall and in each constituency. Nothing else.

I meant "apathetic" and "little scrotes" in a lighthearted, tongue in cheek way. 😜

@youarenotkiddingme

who doesn't believe in supporting others to support themselves.

Which one is it? Support yourself or supported by the government?

I'm young and voted for Labour mainly because of the housing market.

I'm not grabby, I don't want life handed on a plate. I work hard, save diligently, and I just want to buying a fucking 2 bed flat within a hours commute of the job I'm trained to do with affordable repayments so I can live life with some semblance of security.

Other generations have had that pleasure, so I used my democratic right to vote for the party I feel respects and listens to people like me.

There's a macro context to my vote though too. I also voted for Labour because Brexit is shit: I didn't ask for it, I don't want it, I disagree with Theresa May's hard line approach. If the Tories were more moderate I'd have wavered in voting for Labour. But she's not, and there's still a shit ton of social issues going on right now that need listening to and resolving.

Some folk look back at what they have, and over estimate their smarts in achieving this, and underestimate the circumstances which enabled them to achieve/get. So when others haven't, they assume something is lacking in their efforts rather than their circumstances.

My DCs didn't vote Labour. They have aspirations. They also believe in supporting themselves. They have personal pride

Aspiration is good. Collective aspiration is better than individual aspiration. We are voting for collective aspiration.

It's both as I said. Sometimes to support themselves people need some support.

E.g. - I needed support to work and take myself through uni. I needed the TC etc.

I then graduated and can earn lots and it back into society.

I don't believe the 2 things are separate and I don't believe because you think there should support mechanisms that it also means you don't want to support yourself.

I voted Labour because TM and The Conservatives openly said they want to put us under a China-style limited internet, completely watched by the Government and take away human rights.

They showed their arse.

My DCs didn't vote Labour. They have aspirations. They also believe in supporting themselves. They have personal pride.

Me me me me me. Is that what you've taught your children? That they should only support themselves and fuck the disabled, poor, vulnerable people in OUR society. Despicable. people like you make me sick.

Can I just point out that this morning in the Sunday round ups, ALL the media pointed out that there is not yet actually any hard data about the extent to which young people came out across the board and in fact all this 'it was the youth vote that did it for Labour' is not yet backed up with hard evidence.

This.

There is also a lot of faux outrage because McDonnell and Corbyn have today are still saying we will leave the single market.

They always have. It would seem however people were either refusing to acknowledge it or had their figures in their ears.