To think that young people came out in record numbers for one simple reason that most people are missing?

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I believe that young people came out in record numbers because they wanted to vote for someone they could trust.

TM like many politicians before her see no problem in going back on her word. She is not alone in this and politicians have been guilty of this from both the right and left side of politics.

Despite your reservations or views on JC it is clear he has not gone back on his word since being elected as the leader of the opposition. He has stood by his word and fought a campaign based on policies he believed in and refused to use dirty smear tactics.

Perhaps people generally are sick of being lied to and electing politicians that seem to showmen/careerists first and representatives of the people second.

Corbyn is the most exciting thing to happen in British politics for a very long time. He is actually interested in talking to ordinary people, listening to their concerns, and considering ways in which their lives could be made better. Lots of people are picking up on that, not just youngsters.

I don't have much patience with the older generation complaining about the youth vote, as they clearly are far too distant and have no idea how hard things are getting in some areas. That said, regional inequalities and differences are in play too.

I am not a JC fan. However I voted labour despite being in a safe conservative area and I have a dc in private school. Surely whatever it is that JC has done we should be grateful that he has mobilised our youth in this world where the young are apathetic at best towards politics. I would guess as times go on many may change their political beliefs but to stand up and be counted for whatever reason is actually a good thing

If the Conservatives were worth voting for then why is the economy in a mess? if it's so wonderful to have the super rich living in London why do we need more money for education/NHS etc.

Why aren't they taxed properly ?

Our 3 dcs voted Labour. Our youth seem to be seeing through all the rubbish spouted by the Daily Mail etc.

I didn't see Theresa May talking to Stormzy. I think that's what swung it.

The number of politicians that are trustworthy would be counted on one hand. I have voted in every election since I reached the age of majority, I've never trusted who I've voted for.
It has nothing to do with it.

Stop patronising young people.

Spot on OP that's more or less what my 18 year old said

My (just taken his Finals) ds didn't vote Labour either. That said, he didn't need 'mobilising' by anyone, as it has been drummed into him that your voice is only heard if you bother to vote. We are of different political persuasions and voted differently on Brexit, but I still rang him up to make sure that he had gone to vote.

You know the greens also had in their manifesto a commitment to reintroduce housing benefit for the under 24s... I didn't see them increase the share of the vote any.

Corbyn is the most exciting thing to happen in British politics for a very long time. Fgs, he has been in British politics for decades. I fail to see why he suddenly has resonance now when he doesn't seem to have moved on from the 80s.

I think it's more that Momentum are using him than he is 'exciting'.

Can I just point out that this morning in the Sunday round ups, ALL the media pointed out that there is not yet actually any hard data about the extent to which young people came out across the board and in fact all this 'it was the youth vote that did it for Labour' is not yet backed up with hard evidence.
FWIW I'm sure a trend will be identified, and certainly in one or two seats (like Canterbury) where Labour campaigned hard for a young vote it seemed to be working.

BUT most of what is being spouted at the moment has yet to be validated!

The BBC goes part of the way in explaining here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40220032

I agree with OP, for such a long time it has seemed like all potiticians are the same lying/spin whatever you want to call it and finally here is someone different who genuinely cares and wants to make a difference for normal working class people. I am in my 30s and in previous elections I've felt like I'm voting for the least bad option, (I've voted lib dem, tory, labour, green and independant at various points) now finally there is someone I actually want to vote for.

Yes scrapping tution fees will have been popular with a lot of younger voters, but in the area I live austerity has hit young people hard, local schools have asked for charity aid because girls are missing school when on their periods because they can't afford sanitary products, children are growing up hungry and cold. Many young people are on 0 hours contracts living hand to mouth with no financial security let alone prospects of leaving home. Many young people have experienced homelessness with or without their parents. Many young people have disabilities or care for parents with disabilities.

I think theres a few things that have mobilised the youth vote:

1. Growing up with austerity
2. Being offered a better future
3. Feeling like they matter and can make a difference
4. The option a leader who speaks to them
5. The option of a leader who seems like a genuine human being

I'm 22. I voted Labour. I have aspirations and believe in working hard (I work in the emergency services, so hard work isn't a foreign concept to me). I also believe in the importance of working hard to support those who are unable to work, and the benefit to society of having a welfare system that supports every member of society who needs it.

I voted Labour because the most important considerations for me when voting are how the country treats the poor and disabled; keeping the NHS free at the point of use, and protecting us from a Brexit made harder by Theresa May's blind arrogance.

Other people have different priorities, which led them to vote for different parties. Go figure.

Free University was a big draw, it's naive to say otherwise.

JC promising the earth was a big draw, they are young so it's understandable that they couldn't see it wasn't deliverable and that they'd only get soil and massive debt.

Trust Jeremy Corbin?!!

You having a fucking laugh?

"The number of politicians that are trustworthy would be counted on one hand. I have voted in every election since I reached the age of majority, I've never trusted who I've voted for.
It has nothing to do with it.

Stop patronising young people."

I do not see why it is patronising to suggest young people voted for someone who has not lied to them rather than someone who has.

Our local plumber/handyman is a completely self made guy. Did badly in school, built up his own business to the point where he is now very well off. He is a lifelong Tory voter.

This time he voted Labour. It isn't just the youth vote, it's angry disillusioned Tory voters who didn't like the way the Conservatives were moving into UKIP territory. I know a lot of people exactly like him who changed their vote this time. The Tories have a massive amount of work to do.

Add up the number of years corbyn, Abbott, and McConnell have been in politics in total.
These are not new politicians, fresh from their PPE degrees, ready to serve the people.
How many times do you think they will have said whatever they needed to say, over the years?

I'm baffled by criticism of the youth vote who may have been motivated by the pledge on tuition fees. How is this any different to the 'grey' vote coming out for the Tories in 2015 when their manifesto promised to maintain triple locked pension benefits?

If older voters were influenced by talk of the dementia tax, reducing the triple lock to a double lock and a review of the winter fuel allowance, then you can hardly blame young voters for taking an interest in a proposal that would save them tens of thousands of pounds of debt.

Every demographic will weigh up what the party manifestos mean for them - whether it's their own self interest or their principles - and vote accordingly.

I agree that there seems to be an assumption that young people came out and voted Labour. I wonder if anyone can or is going to crunch some figures to show if this is correct.

I don't think this has been mentioned but I read yesterday that TM's choice of date for an election was even more of a disaster because many students are still at uni etc so were voting there as opposed to being scattered around the country and voting in their own consituencies. I guess you could look at typical university towns to see if there are any evident voting patterns.

Lastly I do think that there is something to be said for young people typically starting off on the left and then when they actually leave education and start working etc they switch more to the right.

Free University was a big draw, it's naive to say otherwise. JC promising the earth was a big draw, they are young so it's understandable that they couldn't see it wasn't deliverable

The majority of current students will not pay back their student loans in full. Most will not pay back enough to make a difference between charging student fees and not. The net change to the treasurer would have been negligible.

Free University was a big draw, it's naive to say otherwise.

JC promising the earth was a big draw, they are young so it's understandable that they couldn't see it wasn't deliverable and that they'd only get soil and massive debt.

Presumably you have no problem with the top 5% voting for the tories to avoid paying extra tax?

I think they voted for a dream jc told them it would all be better under him, free uni this and that. Even though it may be false, it's a more attractive proposition.
Tm spoke about his tough things are - not an attractive proposition really. Even though it may be true.

they are young so it's understandable that they couldn't see it wasn't deliverable and that they'd only get soil and massive debt.

That's what they have now. It's all very well complaining about youngsters not having aspirations, right now there are no aspirations worth having for the poor. Work hard, pull yourself up by your bootlaces... and get shafted by landlords and be forced to work even harder for longer.

scaryteacher, I've seen you around and I don't think you're in the UK. Do you think you know how bad things are getting?

I think it is naive to think no-one else has thought that tbh! Haven't all the channels been saying it?

Anyway, none of the young people I know voted labour because of tuition fees. It is a lazy assumption tbh. Most votes because they saw someone actually saying what they thought and answering a question, not just selecting the most appropriate soundbite. Someone who has campaigned on the same issues for years, and has principles. Whether you agree with his principles or not, he has them. He's like marmite really.

This would be the corbyn who appointed a political sympathiser to investigate the problem of anti semitism in his party, then handed her a peerage a few weeks after she decided there basically wasn't?
If our young people believe this is evidence of trustworthiness their problems probably go deeper than the housing crisis, don't you think?