To think that young people came out in record numbers for one simple reason that most people are missing?

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I believe that young people came out in record numbers because they wanted to vote for someone they could trust.

TM like many politicians before her see no problem in going back on her word. She is not alone in this and politicians have been guilty of this from both the right and left side of politics.

Despite your reservations or views on JC it is clear he has not gone back on his word since being elected as the leader of the opposition. He has stood by his word and fought a campaign based on policies he believed in and refused to use dirty smear tactics.

Perhaps people generally are sick of being lied to and electing politicians that seem to showmen/careerists first and representatives of the people second.

I'm 57 and I voted labour, as I invariably do. I can't see myself ever voting tory.
My eldest son (28) voted tory , my younger son voted lib dem. I don't really see age as being that relevant.

I agree with you OP, the young people I know appear to have voted for this reason and because J.C was different. Also the regular bashing, name calling and sometimes outright nastyness of people towards J.C I think ended up endearing him to that demographic, I don't fit that age range but J voted for him too

My well-off DM & DD voted labour (always have as they recognise all they gained from the Wilson government). I am reasonably well off and voted labour (always have as recognise what has been eroded in this country since Thatcher) and both my DC voted labour (mobilised I would say by JC - not family).

Should I have said DF? Was thinking 'Dad' !

DSD is a uni student and has, within the space of two weeks, turned into a political animal. Her social media postings are frenetic and frenzied. She voted labour because her mother has just had confirmation of a reduction in her benefits.

My DCs didn't vote Labour. They have aspirations. They also believe in supporting themselves. They have personal pride.
That would be the exact reason why my four did vote Labour.

He has stood by his word and fought a campaign based on policies he believed in

With the obvious exception of trident. He would like nuclear disarmament. He stood on a manifesto stating trident would be renewed.

Can I just point out that this morning in the Sunday round ups, ALL the media pointed out that there is not yet actually any hard data about the extent to which young people came out across the board and in fact all this 'it was the youth vote that did it for Labour' is not yet backed up with hard evidence.

Well it depends on what you mean by hard evidence.

The polls that most accurately reflected the actual results of the election are the polls that suggested that more young people would vote and weighted the young age ranges views more heavily in their statistics.

Add to this the fact that exit polls (which were pretty accurate) said showed that the turn out amongst younger voters was higher than ever before.

The maths of this is the very definition of hard evidence whilst not conclusive.

We will see in coming days/weeks if I am right but I would put money on the fact I am.

There have been a lot of YouTube videos recently urging the younger voters to be heard - unless they start voting the parties will ignore them and go after the 'known voters'

Example at a recent meeting of candidtes I wa the youngest person there and I'm nearly 50 -

They need to wake up and be listened to - I'm glad they put votes in whichever way they voted

With the obvious exception of trident. He would like nuclear disarmament. He stood on a manifesto stating trident would be renewed.
But it's not up to him to make policy, the manifesto was a Labour Party manifesto, not a Jeremy Corbyn manifesto. Which rather clearly demonstrates a man able to listen and compromise.

Dawn, I am very well aware of that. But the op was quite clear on her belief that he personally believed in the policies he was standing on, it's not unreasonable to point out that her belief isn't entirely accurate. (assuming op is female, apologies if I'm wrong)

Amused that Boris Johnson's sister's children voted Labour!

I've just read an interview with Jeremy Corbyn in Kerrang magazine (he's on the front cover) talking with two presumably popular rock stars about music, an arts pupil premium so poor kids can learn an instrument, the possibility of council lending libraries of musical equipment, he knows their songs. He also talks about mental health services and the availability of counsellors and the effect of cuts.

It seems entirely clear to me from this that Corbyn did not simply bribe the youth vote with tuition fees, he actually went out and talked to them about their concerns and the things that interest them.
Did anyone else?

My friends and I have long been interested in politics. Alas, I wasn't able to vote in this election (being 17) but if I had been would have voted for Labour. For me personally this isn't to do with Corbyn - I think he's a decent person but he doesn't get me enthused and have reservations about him. Having said that, it seems the turnout amongst young voters was higher than it has been before, and I do think a lot of that is down to Corbyn - he clearly has inspired a lot of people, helped by May's abysmal campaign. It's also down to the whole Labour team who've worked hard and created that manifesto - the likes of Angela Rayner, Rebecca Long-Bailey and Barry Gardiner are all very popular with people I know. The manifesto was very popular and the campaign was a positive one - Corbyn clearly thrives on campaigning.

Presumably you have no problem with the top 5% voting for the tories to avoid paying extra tax?

I do actually, as a member of that 5% who voted labour.

I think it's because they're entitled millenials who heard someone promising them the world on a platter and rather than question whether it would happen, wanted all they could grab with their greedy paws

OK. What about the retired - and near retired - demographic, who don't want their pension benefits and winter fuel allowance touched? Many of whom have secure housing and pension entitlements that the younger generation can only dream of.

You're also missing the point that you are part of the generation that raised the demographic you're calling 'entitled millenials'. Funny how everyone says that they want better for their kids than they had, but when it actually comes down to it they actually think they're spoilt and entitled...

No free higher education and huge tuition costs leading to an average graduation debt of £44k according to the Sutton Trust last year.
Average house price now 7.6 times average salary, according to the ONS in March 2017.
Education budgets being steadily eroded so that the quality of education is being compromised.
Creeping zero hours contracts and a 'gig' economy which actively disadvantages employees because there is no job security.
In work benefits being steadily eroded whilst the pensions triple lock is maintained.

Yep. Can't understand why the 'selfish millenials' are pissed off. And no, I'm not pensioner-bashing and I know that not all pensioners are well off (my DP aren't). But you need to understand that the young are not stupid. And they can see that there is a massive unfairness in being asked to shoulder the burden as taxpayers, to fund the care and non-means tested benefits of an entire generation of people where many have huge amounts of wealth tied up in property and private pensions, whilst receiving nothing but a poorer education, job insecurity, tuition debt and rising house prices in return.

My DCs didn't vote Labour. They have aspirations

Because, of course, all Labour supporters just sit on their backsides all day picking their horses out so they can nip down to the betting shop on their way to buy their beer and fags, before slumping oil front of the telly in a stupor of nicotine and ale!

Your comment was very patronising.

If many people don't have aspirations, it's because years of being unable to get a decently paid job, and living from day to day, has knocked the heart out of them. They still hope for better for their children though.

Bewty apologies for the misunderstanding.

Moomin - ditto. DH and I fall into that bracket and both voted Labour. As I said on another thread recently, I'll never say no to more money in my take-home pay, but we can both afford a tax increase. It's morally wrong to levy it on the poorest and most disadvantaged people in society.

I'm 22. I did not think any of the representatives were right to be PM, at all. But, I voted for Corbyn because I trust him, and I do not trust May to the same extent. I researched the voting background, movement of policies, and experience of both May and Corbyn before voting, and made my decision.

Please stop patronising young people by suggesting that their choices or method of making a decision are frivolous or inferior. My vote is just as valid and justified as anyone else, regardless of how I vote, or why.

All three of my Young adult offspring voted labour. They are interested in politics and have heard Corbyn speak at gigs and tal lets. Two of them have joined the Labour Party.

DH and I are top 5% and we also voted labor. We have brought our kids up to believe in social justice and a decent standard of living for everyone.

I voted labour, i'm both ambitious and aspirational.

I'm ambitious for my disabled son as I want him to do the absolute very best he can with what he has.

I aspire for him to live independently and to be able to use the skill set he has to benefit other people.

The fact is, labour will provide that, the Tories want to throw him and his education on the scrap heap.

My DCs didn't vote Labour. They have aspirations. They also believe in supporting themselves. They have personal pride

I've seen some goady posts on mn lately but this really takes the

My nieces all voted Labour and are all in good jobs with plenty of aspirations. They voted Labour as they don't like seeing inequalities