To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

[Ravenblack]

So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

Fuck me there are some fucking hard of thinking people on here

Or are they just Being goady?

The decent thing for the two main parties would be to form a massive coalition. Get Brexit sorted, get the terrorist threat under control and let us get on with our lives till the next general election in 3years time.

Completely agree

The 12 seats thing comes from here. Towards the end of the article.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/election-results-2017-theresa-may-clings-power-needs-support/

thenaze73 If the Tories were building a coalition with a hard line Muslim party who wanted to abolish LGBT rights I'd be just as unhappy as I am about DUP.

I'm not sure what your Muslim friends personal views have got to do with anything though

I've always voted Tory, am joining Liberal Democrats now, fucking preposterous to go on about Corbyn and his terrorist connections and then jump in bed with the DUP.

I've signed.

That's it. Therein lies the problem with the left. If you say anything they don't like, or you actually make a very valid point that they don't like; you're called a goady fucker or a troll.

These responses speak volumes.

Thanks for proving me right folks.

Good luck with the petition.

Facts are...

Nicola Sturgeon nagged and bullied May into this snap election by crying (a 1000 times) 'you're not the elected prime minister.'

The Corbynites caused this coalition. By voting in droves against Conservatives.

May isn't going to resign and you are not going to get your own way, no matter how many 100's of 1000's of probably fake signatures appear on the petition.

We are still leaving the EU.

The left are deluded, and think Labour 'won.'

Labour lost. Did you get that ??? LABOUR LOST.

Oh and tory dh is beyond angry about it

Part of belonging to a democracy is the right to legal protest.

Opponents of the EU protested for many, many years about leaving the EU. The minute that an advisory referendum went their way, many of them declared that now democracy meant one vote which applied for ever and everyone who disagreed had better shut up about it.

We live in a democracy. People have the right to protest if parties without Parliamentary majorities form a government. We'd still have the right to legal protest about the actions of a government with a Parliamentary majority if we wished.

Nobody is likening May to Hitler, nor the Tories/DUP to Nazis. But it's important to remember that the Nazis were able to get away with what they did by stripping people of their human rights and taking away the right to protest, declaring them traitors for voting against the Nazis even in supposedly democratic votes.

Part of democracy is accepting that people will vote in different ways, that very few people will ever be happy about a vote, and that those that aren't in agreement can protest by any legal means they choose.

WHO IS SAYING THAT LABOUR WON RAVEN

CAN YOU POINT THEM OUT ON THE THREAD

What are you on about? Nobody said Labour won, you're just hearing what you want to hear.

Can you please explain to me why you think it is OK to give a religious fundamentalist, misogynistic, homophobic, corrupt, fraudulent party, with proven links to terrorism extra powers in government? Or perhaps you are those things yourself.

That's it. Therein lies the problem with the left. If you say anything they don't like, or you actually make a very valid point that they don't like; you're called a goady fucker or a troll.

Eh? But you've just started a thread bemoaning someone who simply disagrees with the prospect of a homophobic party propping up the government and started a petition. Just because you don't like that they can.

I think you'll find that Theresa May caused this coalition Ravenblack, by calling an election.
You really do spout some crap!

When you dangle so much free money in front of Corbyns fanatics they get worked up into a frenzy. They aren't going to let democracy stop them from getting something for nothing

I personally would just like people to be able to have what I had in my youth. No tuition fees, a good NHS, a nationalised railway. Simple things that meant for a better society.

Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted

You must be talking about RL interactions, because the BBC couldn't praise May enough and has consistently made Corbyn out to be an idiot.

No, I think you're pathetic OP. Also ignorant and unpleasant.

You've not addressed any of the very valid points that people have made on this thread, you've just come back shouting about something that noone said

I didn't vote for the DUP! I don't want the DUP! They were not on my ballot paper! I hate their policies. Why on Earth would I want them in leadership partnership having a say over the governing of the country???? It does NOT feel democratic to me.

YABU OP but you know you are wasting your time trying to argue with the 'left leaning cohort' on here.
I have given up - they refuse to accept any opinion or democratic event unless it concurs with their views
Petitions are a waste of time and effort especially when nothing has happened yet!
I would not like to rely on the corbynistas if an enemy invaded this country or we were faced with a real threat. Oh yes we will start a petition - that will solve it.
You who are attacking the OP might think about who corbyn would have had to cooperate with if he tried to form a government
the SNP - a nationalist party for Scotland and b anyone else
the libdems - refused
the greens - one seat only
the others - a motley crew
Sinn fein - not likely as they do not participate
PC - a nationalist party - see the SNP
The DUP whether you agreee with their manifesto or not were DEMOCRATICALLY elected by the people of Northern Ireland. They have a right to be in the House of Commons and to vote with or against anyone they choose.
I'm out.

The Corbynites caused this coalition. By voting in droves against Conservatives.

They really didnt. The conservatives banging on about brexit and bring ignorant towards the several other problems electorates faced caused the coalition. Own your shit.

Blaming the left for the fact the tories couldn't scrape enough votes for a majority is an exceptional stretch even for the right. Barrel scraping worthy.

sorry OP that should read YANBU
I'm out again.

OP, nobody won. One party has had more MPs elected than the others, but that doesn't mean that they won the right to form a government because they didn't achieve a majority of available seats. Our electoral system isn't based on the party which achieved the most votes getting into power, it's dependent on achieving Parliamentary majority.

Do you genuinely believe that May called the election because she was nagged and bullied by Sturgeon? If you think that's true, how on earth would that persuade you that May is a strong enough leader to cope with the rough, tough world of international politics and Brexit negotiations? May called the election because she believed the polls which indicated she had a significant lead in terms of voter support.

Raven. Point out where somebody said the Tories didn't win?

The fact you're reducing something as important as this to "won" or "lost" just really cements your lack of credibility or indeed sensible opinions

*being ignorant not bring.

There are 8 MPs that never vote, therefore only 322 votes are needed to pass a queens speech and a budget. 326-322 = 4

So May was only 4 short of a working majority.