To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

Honestly reading some of these threads I get the feeling if people time-travelled back to 1944 they'd look at Auschwitz and go, "But the people voted for Hitler, you lost, get over it!!" (Not comparing May to Hitler, before anyone throws that accusation, just the "no one's allowed to complain about anything political ever cos iz democracy innit??" attitude.)

Politics is not football. Stop reducing politics to a childish game of winners and losers, the "nyah nyah you lost" attitude has no place in intellectual discourse about something that will profoundly influence most of our lives and has the potential to be a life or death situation. And it makes you sound about 5.

Bipartisanship is tearing our country apart, it's wrecked the US. Can't we accept that most people want what's best for the country but simply disagree on the best way to achieve that?

And really you did not "win". No one "won" apart from some of the individual politicians. The Tories certainly didn't win, they lost the election. May didn't win; she'll certainly not last long. Unless you personally voted DUP and feel your politics align with DUP's beliefs, in which case I'll grant you reason to feel you won.

I can 100000000000% promise you if Corbyn had gone into a coalition with a religious extremist far right fringe party whose chief tenets are restricting/banning abortion rights, women's rights, and GLBT rights including gay marriage, the "left wing" would have been calling for his head.

Honestly reading some of these threads I get the feeling if people time-travelled back to 1944 they'd look at Auschwitz and go, "But the people voted for Hitler, you lost, get over it!!"

Exactly! Part of being democracy is being able to express your dissent when things go wrong!

I'd be just as fucked off if labour, SNP, lib dems, greens, ukip or the flying unicorn party had gone into coalition with any party that is anti gay rights, anti women's rights and anti abortion.
HTH

OP - is your name Theresa ? 😉😉😜

Yawn. Yet another political post started by the terminally hard of thinking

Even if Labour did not get all their policies implemented, and I think they did better to cost them than the Tories did, their policies were good ones to aim for! I'd rather a government was in power with the ideology the Labour manifesto showed than any of the alternatives.

I'm very sad not enough people voted them in because I wanted them to have a chance to implement their manifesto. It gave me real hope. However I can accept more people voted Tory. Not DUP though. There are so many questions regarding how practically TM can do any deals with them and what this means regarding democracy and the peace process.

Nobody 'won' the authority to form a government, there are no winners- everybody lost.

Nobody voted for a Tory/DUP government, that was never on offer.

The results of the election mean that everyone will end up with a government that nobody voted for, regardless of how things pan out.

The national debt has continued to increase annually under the Tories, so if a government could spend 5 years eliminating the national debt then surely that would be economic progress?

Not comparing May to Hitler

Let's wait and see, shall we?

I really don't understand this blind "left=bad right=good" attitude. It's like an alternate reality where left and right are hive minds.

If Corbyn had won some right-wingers would have accepted it, much as some left wingers are accepting the current result. But some right-wingers would have erupted, tried everything to challenge and overturn the election, thrown loud tantrums, started petitions, and done everything in their power to undermine him for the next few years. Exactly how the right wing tried to undermine Obama with racist and seditious plots (Birthers, etc.) and the actions of the Trump Deplorables right now.

Look at you, you're throwing a tantrum over a little Internet petition! Are you really claiming if Corbyn had become PM you'd have thrown your hands up and gone, "well I didn't vote for him but fair play he's our democratically elected leader so we must do everything we can to support him"?

Besides this "democracy" has resulted in a minor fringe party who received just 1.5% of the votes being the party effectively in power. How is that democracy? The British people did not vote for the DUP. Theresa May made a unilateral decision to invite an unelected unvoted-for party to form a government, over and against the wishes of the British people.

Enjoy your "democracy."

Fantastic post op, I agree with every word.
But this is leftwing mumsnet so you'll get the usual ridiculous responses.

Is that you May?
It's my democratic right to protest about the power being handed to a bunch of extreme fundamentalist corrupt terrorist supporters.

Do you know what the DUP stand for?

Nobody is arguing against the Tory majority. They are arguing against an extreme minority party with offensive, out of date views being brought into power via a coalition.

I don't like the Tories. But the DUP is absolutely abhorrent. So yes I will protest at them being given power.

Fantastic post op, I agree with every word

Do you understand how democracy works? Because the OP's post suggests she/he really doesn't either

Aside from the fact our democracy is based in freedom of speech and the right to fight against things you don't like, and personally I include even dismissive comments as opposed to that, there's also the matter of the Belfast Agreement and the proposed vote on abortion rights. I haven't signed the petition because I prefer other forms of (legal and pacifist) activism but good on anyone who has done.

More people voted for labour than for the DUP. The most obvious partnership would be conservative and labour but we are too petty as a society to allow it.

It's not democracy, as nobody voted for a Tory/DUP coalition.

And the idea that Labour voters would be happy for them to work alongside the DUP is ludicrous. I have Tory friends who are aghast at this.

HTH.

I'm quite excited and proud to give my first

PS you are a goady fucker or have no idea what the DUP are.

And the proposed vote (which won't pass but is still a move backwards)

The Tories didn't win!!!! Why can't you understand that?! A win would've been 326 seats. NOBODY achieved that. She's going to be running an unstable minority government and I hope Labour are there at every step stopping her when she's trying to get things through. She has NO power. Every thing will have to be voted for.

A deal with DUP is not the result of the democratic process. People aren't denying that Conservative pulled in the most votes. But supporters of all parties are appalled that TM has chosen to align herself with a party with values that is so far maligned with the interests of the rest of the UK. It's an act of desperation, and a very silly one.

To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

Oh dear. The 'losing team' don't seem to be accepting it according to the leftie Telegraph They have the knives out.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/10/theresa-may-set-appoint-new-cabinet-clings-power-disastrous/

Yeah. Those silly whingey people not wanting anti same sex marriage and anti-abortionist amongst a progressive government. How pathetic of them all

Of course they're bound to all be lefties too because any Tory MP or voter with an ounce of decency wouldn't want to be associated with them either.