To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

[Ravenblack]

So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

*The hilarious thing is that the Corbynites cannot see that they caused this coalition.

A Tory majority would have been far better.

It's going to happen.

Get over it*

Teresa May caused this, she called a snap election, she had the majority.

I actually agree with the op.

But I think everyone needs to move on now.

Thanks @Calyrical.

Most of my Muslim friends are also against gay marriage but, that seems to be conveniently forgotten

? Are most of your Muslim friends taking a seat in Government?

Weird.

Ravenblack are you actually going to answer any questions directed to you? You're not very good at politics or debate are you. Though with those qualities, you could always become the next leader of UKIP, now there's a spot open .

I'm sure my Tory voting Irish Catholic in-laws are absolutely thrilled to have the DUP become kingmakers. And the difference between now and 2015 is that in 2015 the Tories didn't actually need the DUP to pass any laws. Now they do and there will have to be concessions to them to keep them happy.

Move on about what though?
What is the answer to trying to create a sensible platform upon which to continue power sharing and try and resume the negotiations when it will be impossible under a Tory/DUP coalition?

The Tory membership (grassroots) is saying that May should now resign. So it's not just the whinging leftwingers.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/10/theresa-may-set-appoint-new-cabinet-clings-power-disastrous/

Sobeyondthehills

Fair point, she shouldn't have called the election. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing.

But what she did was give the nation a chance to have their say on who runs the country before a significant constitutional change.

It's laughable that you are so desperate to shift the blame for May's failure to secure enough votes to secure a government. 'Corbynites' didn't cause this coalition- Theresa May had a majority government, she was not obliged to call an election until 2020, she chose to put herself, her government, and the UK into this position.

May was so desperate to be seen as having a mandate in her Brexit negotiations- especially as she actively campaigned to Remain herself- that she tried to increase her majority. The resultant hung Parliament is nobody's fault but hers. Giving the DUP a role in government threatens the Good Friday Agreement, is legally questionable, is not what anybody voted for , and threatens to push women's rights back by decades. You can choose to place the blame for this wherever you like, but Theresa May chose to take the path which led to this outcome.

I didn't vote labour and still think this coalition is hideous. Did it not occur to you that we don't all think in the same way? Things aren't black and white.

OP: I am not a supporter of Corbyn but I think you are totally out of line. But as my dear old mum would say you cannot have a logical argument or debate with the ignorant or insane. So whilst I could debate your opinions I will heed my mum's wise words and not waste my time.

Yes, but how do we move on Calyrical? Do we accept that the PM is now about to go against the Good Friday agreement. That the leading political party will be dependent on the support of a party that is already trying to push through their religious agenda? Dependent meaning that she will not be able to push through her own party's proposals unless she gives them something in return. Else why on earth should they support her? Do you suppose they are in it out of altruism?

I don't know any Labour voter who would find it acceptable to have a similar Catholic or Muslim group exercising that kind of influence on their party.

Namechanging

I'm not sure many people actually understand how precarious this all is. Either people don't give a shit about Northern Ireland, they don't understand it or they are too set on their 'Yaaa boo sucks' moment.

People commenting on me not answering questions... What about no-one addressing the fact that many Muslims do not believe in gay marriage and abortion etc, or many other religions. Nothing on that except 'well THEY are not politicians are they?'

What a fucking shit answer!

I have made my points and many don't like them.

Whaddya gonna do?!

Melao, and it demonstrated that the nation is not even broadly in agreement about that change, nor about anything else. It's not a case of accepting a democratic result as the OP would like us to, because there is no Parliamentary majority to accept.

To be honest, I don't see much of a point in petitioning against a party doing something they could be expected to do in the first place. How likely is it that they'll suddenly decide to change their opinions?
(I understand that the safety of women in the UK is threatened, but I fear you'd have to go on the streets and do stuff suffragette-style to really make them reconsider)

Not an expert on UK politics, I live in Germany, but surely, if you voted for May, you somewhat knew what to expect of her?

I mean, if the German AfD (populist party of racists and homophobes) allied itself with the NPD (those nazis who openly admit they are) I'd just yawn. I would also not be much surprised if the CDU made a coalition with the AfD.

If you vote for any party, you can expect that they will form a coalition with another somewhat successful party that's closest to them in its ideology.

Haha so funny isn't it! So much hypocrisy

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

Wow. What was promised wasn't promised in that way, was it? And plenty of economists said Corbyn's manifesto was appropriately costed. If the country is in trouble and needs to spend less, the Tories have had 7 long years to deal with it. Can you therefore explain to me me why the national debt is now higher than it was in 2010?

I personally voted for Corbyn because I don't want a Conservative government any longer. Frankly, there is little he could have said or done that would have changed that. I am also aware of several life-long Conservative supporters who voted Labour. How do you explain that?

Ravenblack

I've answered you and explained why I think it is really worrying.
I'm not quite sure you understand how this places the peace in a Northern Ireland in jeopardy.
Do you understand the issue regarding the negotiations . There are some good links if you are interested.
The problem is regarding the UK governments role as mediator being compromised.

Would you like some more info.
I didn't vote labour btw and I'm not a fan of Corbyn so I'm interested if you care about the issue or just being a bit of a shit stirrer.

not at all goady to populate every response and post with 'pmsl' 'get over it' etc etc

you get that NO ONE WON the election - and that plenty of tories do not like this union - such as the gay leader of the Scottish conservatives?

Democracy is actually about questioning and challenging things - blindly accepting the decisions of the 'leader' is a different political system altogether 'pmsl'

Funny OP, I don't remember the ballot paper in my constituency saying "Conservative and Democratic Unionist Party"; I could have sworn it just said "Conservative." I know one close relative who voted Conservative - he's just as horrified as I am by the DUP.

But then you haven't come here for debate, have you? You're just here to do a bit of goady-fuckery.

And FWIW, "look at those other extremists, why are you ignoring them?" is not an adequate response to the question "do you really want this particular set of extremists to wield political power out of all proportion to the number of votes cast for them." (But then I wouldn't expect an adequate response from you because, like I said, you're just getting off on being a goady fucker.)

If after Labour offering all their goodies of free this and free that and more homes and saving the NHS and throwing money at everything, they still couldn't get enough seats to even cobble together a coalition against a party that had the most pathetic and dismally inept campaign.

What are they going to do against a political party that gets its act together next time an election is called.