To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

I think we have to introduce a unit of stupidity called RB. Seriously. Hysterical rants where you accuse Labour voters of voting for the Labour thus forcing the Tories to form a coalition with the most bigoted misogynistic, homophobic, fanatic pro-creationist and anti-abortion party, that's 95 RBs. Accusing Sturgeon of being the person who forced May into GE, that's already RB boiling point.
I haven't even read this amount of brainwashing and facts deforming in the Dacre's Nazi filth.
The Tories created this pile of stinking dung all by themselves, because they were arrogant enough to believe the second GE will hand them over Britain on the plate. Now they are desperate for support and scapegoats.
May caused her own downfall by running one of the most disastrous campaigns ever.
The biggest tragedy is that she and the Tories dragged the whole Britain into their self-created shit. No surprise Europe is watching Britain thinking they've gone batshit crazy.

Yes, it is pathetic to use your democratic right to protest.

Definitely.

Nick Cohen has done his utmost to smear Corbyn and claim he is nasty and unelectable. If you actually go into all his claims and sources you will find they are either not backed up by evidence or present an extremely skewed take on things. For example 'corbyn refused to condemn the IRA' when actually he said 'I condemn both sides, all bombing is wrong'. He won the ghandi international peace prize in 2013, they dont just give those out to anyone. If you click on the link in the article there it takes you to another article from 2015 stating JC didnt help the peace process at all, then underneath in the comments is a statement from a man whos wife worked with JC for 17 years and confirmed the good work him and Mo Mowlam did in fact do. The effort people have gone to to try and attack corbyn is off the scale. I wonder what Cohen has to say now that Labour membership is at a record high and Labour are at 45% in the polls. Not so unelectable now.

Edit: Cohen does say in his article he was wrong, but still puts the boot in and makes out labour candidates were embarrassed about corbyn. Not true here my candidate backed him and turned a 500 vote tory majority into a 7000 vote labour lead.

Brexit negotiations in a week, DUP/Tory regime in disarray.

Helena It looks like members of the right wing press have been quite prolific on here this weekend!
Strong and stable TM was bullied into calling an election by that horrible NS.
It was all the Corbyn supporters fault for the coalition as they voted Tory Mps out.
Everybody knows attack ID the best form of defence and that is the approach that those on the right seem to be taking.

Only took a couple of clicks to find a comment calling Nick Cohen" Labour's
right Iraq War cheerleader"
Now why would he attack Corbyn? O wait.
Hardly a principled man of the left.

Well, apart from the obvious that Peter Robinson, or any DUP MP, would have had nothing to do with a socialist such as Jeremy Corbyn, (who they would suspect as being an atheist. )

I think you are getting a bit carried away if you think the DUP will not work with atheists.

Excellent post MaryTheCanary.

As someone else upthread said, its not what you say (or indeed do) but who says it.

Sadly I think many people decide what they want to believe and don't hear anything which might make them question this.

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Well I needed that one cross
Thanks

Yes, the Tories are in a state of panic and chaos.

Not surprisingly, given that support for Labour is soaring and there's likely to be another general election this year.

TM is incompetent, weak and despised by her own party. No-one else wants the job.

Things not going their way at all

Only took a couple of clicks to find a comment calling Nick Cohen" Labour's
right Iraq War cheerleader"
Now why would he attack Corbyn? O wait.
Hardly a principled man of the left.

Are you suggesting that someone can't be principled if they hold strong opinions which differ from yours?

Nick Cohen is a centrist. He may claim a labour shade, but he's no leftie.
He consistently twists the actions of the left labour politicians to suit the supposed anti American agenda he has written a book about.

He's decided what he believes and won't listen to anything else. If that's a principled outlook then why moan about others doing it?

I was referring to the left bit actually rather than principled bit.

Nick Cohen is not a leftist. I have never been a supporter of Corbyn but I acknowledge that he managed to pull the Labour back on track in the time when it's most needed, when the Tories introduced measures and cuts aimed at making the poor destitute and pushing people living one stop from poverty straight into it.
But Cohen is a man living in the past and that's where his political opinions belong to.

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If you had cared to read carefully, I was referring to the past, i.e. the 1980s when Corbyn met Adam.

Maybe you have problems with understanding the past tense in English?

Just as Mary needs some help with left and right.

Maybe irony passed you by?

Yes, the Tories are in a state of panic and chaos.

Chaos before the Brexit negotiations.

Too, what promises are being made to the DUP?

I suspect the main promises to the DUP will be in the area of agricultural subsidies, i.e. a replacement for the CAP.

abilockhart Are you saying that in the past, at the time you are talking about, the DUP would have refused to work with atheists? Genunine question.

I suspect the main promises to the DUP

No harm there.....seems uncontroversial...why not let us know now?

I am quite shocked that there don't seem to be many (any?) Tories on here who are concerned about the alliance with the DUP. The Tories seem to have spent the entire thread attacking Labour supporters, unwilling to engage in any critical reflection on what's happening in their own party.

Fortunately, Matthew d'Ancona, who is a Tory, has an article in the Guardian today that is highly critical of the deal:

'The DUP is a gang of homophobes, creationists and enemies of gender equality. Has the prime minister no shame? And, if shame does not do the trick, what about political calculation? In the immediate aftermath of an election energised by young voters and an unexpected surge of optimism, the worst conceivable response is to stand shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of joyless reactionaries. As one seasoned Tory MP put it to me with admirable candour: “It will ensure we get obliterated at the next election”.'

So at least there are some Tories out there with sense. I was beginning to wonder...

He's decided what he believes and won't listen to anything else. If that's a principled outlook then why moan about others doing it?

I don't agree with your first sentence and I think it is reasonable to say that many people listen to information which confirms their beliefs and find a reason to dismiss information which contradicts them.

Jonathon Haidt explains it well from a psychology perspective in this video (don't worry - he's on the left )

A consistent finding about human reasoning: If we WANT to believe X, we ask ourselves: “Can-I-Believe-It?” But when we DON’T want to believe a proposition, we ask: “Must-I-Believe-It?”

heterodoxacademy.org/2016/10/21/one-telos-truth-or-social-justice/

If someone only listens to beliefs that confirm their own biases, then how can they be principles? Or is my view on what is a principled stance not good because it differs from yours?