To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

I've signed it, not just because she didn't get a majority & not just because she's going in with the DUP, but because she hasn't won. She will not even be able to deliver the manifesto that gained her the seats she did win. I think we need another vote. Until we have a majority, who ever that might be

Thank you all

He did speak to unionists as well which would hold with the theory that he was speaking to both sides

Was it mainly saying that he had spoken to the IRA or that he had spoken out in their support

I quite understand if you dont have all the details to hand so don't worry about replying

I appreciate youve maybe lost some of your other research seahorses but I'm not sure those links you've posted say a lot really.

Corbyn met with the IRA, he doesn't deny it. To talk. To try and bring the troubles to a conclusion. Quite how big a role be played in the actual peace process is open for debate but the fact they met in Westminster suggests it was hardly sinister.

It's not football. It's not 'the losing team'.

The tories are coalitioning with fascists who got a tiny tiny percentage of the vote and are now going to be in joint power with a party lead by a woman who just blew millions of pounds on an election campaign that got her a weaker vote than before.

Why do we have to accept that, exactly?

I still don't get why it wasn't alright for Corbyn to meet with the IRA when it was okay for Douglas Hurd to do it. Thatcher was not in government at the time.

I voted Labour and i would certainly object to them having an alliance with the DUP just as i object now.

Because i object to their misogyny their homophobia etc.

Even though i would have something to gain re. the winter fuel allowance as DH is a pensioner.

Because this is about something much bigger. Its about the possible regression back to the past re human rights and the risk to the peace in NI.
I like Corbyn and voted Labour but i WOULD object in the same way that i am now.

Cant wait to see the mental gymnastics on this from the right wing press after what theyve been printing about Corbyn.

I guess most of them are wracking their brain cells (the ones that havent been killed by booze) on how to find a way to blame it on Labour/Labour voters.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer Nothing I found said that Corbyn spoke to Unionists. I remember that much.

Boynamedsue Various sources show Corbyn was in a lot of trouble for his IRA associations - reading between the lines in several accounts it looked like Blair would have happily kicked him out of the party when he became leader. Perhaps that's why there was a small spate of EDMs condemning NI violence that Corbyn supported around that time. I've also seen what purports to be Mo Mowlam's condemnation of Corbyn's actions but no details to check it so don't know if true - suffice to say that all those allegations of Corbyn being Mowlam's go-between are twaddle. She was very open about who helped her, eg Gary McMichael and Ken Livingstone.

"a political post started by the terminally hard of thinking"

This, in spades. The idiocy of this drivel is astonishing. OP you don't have the first clue about how the political system works in this country - not the first clue. It's one thing to be ignorant, it's quite another to glory in it. I'm not a tory, but if I were, I'd still read this stuff and weep.

They only need to read this thread Helena dove, it's all the fault of Labour supporters because if we'd just voted tory they wouldn't need to have a coalition at all. Silly me for voting for the party I wanted.

In other news, it's Nicola Sturgeon's fault for bullying TM into it. You know TM, that bloody difficult, strong and stable woman who will guide us seemlessly thorough Brexit negotiations.

The only person not to blame is TM herself. Personally I blame Piers Morgan and Katie Hopkins. Just because I didn't like them and that seems to be a good enough reason. Oh and Justin Bieber. I don't like him either.

Sorry, I said Corbyn met with the IRA and doesn't deny it, that's completely wrong and I should have said sinn fein. It's late and I'm tired but that's a pretty shitty mistake so I apologise.

YY Boy The right wing press have painted themselves into a corner.

They cant very well say its Labour voters fault for not voting Tory..............because that would be saying who we should/shouldnt vote for and we are supposed to be living in a democracy.

I heard a very interesting interview with David Yelland (former editor of The Sun ...bear with me) on R4 this afternoon. In a nutshell he was saying that the right wing press can no longer touch JC. He's had the full shitstorm and they've they've thrown the kitchen sink at him. And it hasn't worked. On the other hand the Tories are extremely vulnerable. They will be destroyed by their very standard bearers. Until they get rid of their tainted leader. A poor Brexit (and let's face it we have no reason to think it's going to be good) could sink them without trace. Good.
Labour are now 6 points ahead in the polls. Roll on the next election.

Just for you AllthePrettySeahorses
skwawkbox.org/2017/05/25/world-exclusive-corbyn-mowlams-envoy-to-ira-and-loyalists/

Boynamedsue - Yes and austerity is the fault of the Tories, nothing to do with putting right the mess the last Labour government left us in! People voted Labour because they thought they were getting something free. Nothing in life is free, sooner or later you have to pay for it.

Jimmy i think those who work in right wing print media have had a bit of a fright.

They are not as influential as they thought.

When Jeremy Corbyn met Gerry Adams, Gerry Adams was the elected MP for West Belfast.

If Jeremy Corbyn met with or spoke Peter Robinson, DUP MP for East Belfast, there would not have been an issue.

Well, apart from the obvious that Peter Robinson, or any DUP MP, would have had nothing to do with a socialist such as Jeremy Corbyn, (who they would suspect as being an atheist. )

Many Tory MPs met with Peter Robinson and other DUP MPs back then. Many tories will meet DUP MPs next week; they will also meet former DUP leader Peter Robinson as as he is likely to be part of the negotiating team.

Oh, and by the way, this a a video of the same former DUP leader Peter Robinson refusing to condemn the sectarian killers of the UDA:

jimmy that's v interesting to hear it from a person involved in that world, rather than just Twitter speculation. I'll check out the interview.

Former DUP leader Peter Robinson (left) in paramilitary uniform, 1986.

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup

'Theresa May's new partners in government have strong historical links with Loyalist paramilitary groups. Specifically, the terrorist group Ulster Resistance was founded by a collection of people who went on to be prominent DUP politicians. Peter Robinson, for example, who was DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s first minister until last year, was an active member of Ulster Resistance. One of the things the group did was collaborate with other terrorist organisations such as the Ulster Volunteer Force to smuggle arms into the UK, including RPG rocket launchers.

Of course, Northern Ireland has moved towards peace, and the DUP, like their opponents in Sinn Fein, have rescinded violence. As part of that normalisation, the fact that parties which include people who have abandoned civil war can be brought into the democratic process is a good thing. But for the Tories to end an election campaign which they spent attacking Corbyn for his alleged links to former Northern Irish terrorists by going into coalition with a party founded by former Northern Irish terrorists would be a deep irony.'

The Clontibret invasion was an incursion by Ulster loyalists into the small Monaghan village of Clontibret, in the Republic of Ireland, on 7 August 1986. After crossing the border the loyalists proceeded to vandalize many buildings in the village and beat up two police officers before being dispersed by the Garda Síochána.

Peter Robinson, former DUP leader, (see photo above) was part of this invasion.

He'll probably be the main DUP negotiator with the Tories next week.

Can he be involved if he's retired abi?

Too many posts to read through at this time in the morning but will respond to the OP. Yes it is a bit pathetic and I agree Cons won but lefties wouldn't be lefties if they didn't moan. And I know they moan because I am one and I moan all the time 😊 My moan atm is wishing that the media would stop all the shit stirring and report actual facts without all the tittle-tattle. Jeremy is ace but he didn't win - I really don't get why anyone doesn't understand this.We need to get the Queens' speach through and start Brexit asap imho and if that means a ToryDUP alliance then so be it.

It's pretty clear that although the Conservatives go the most votes (and I say Conservatives loosely as I am truly horrified at how it has transpired it was basically only TM and her two beloved ex-advisors - no wonder she kept saying "Give ME your vote"), what they have lost is their parliamentary majority, whatever little respect for TM the lovely folk in Brussels might have had, and any sense whatsoever of a strong and stable government. That's all before getting into bed with some very dubious tactical backup,
Oh and £130 million pounds of tax payers' money.
When you say May can do no right in the eyes of some, many of those eyes are now in her own party. And there we have Boris Johnson waiting in the wings, as if one Trump wasn't enough for the world...

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/10/i-was-wrong-about-jeremy-corbyn-still-doubt-him

From Nick Cohen (a principled man of the left if there ever was one):

The links between the Corbyn camp and a Putin regime that persecutes genuine radicals. Corbyn’s paid propaganda for an Iranian state that hounds gays, subjugates women and tortures prisoners. Corbyn and the wider left’s indulgence of real antisemites (not just critics of Israel). They are all on the record. That Tory newspapers used them against the Labour leadership changes nothing. As George Orwell said in another context, they still happened and “did not happen any the less because the Daily Telegraph suddenly found out about them”.

Corbin is not a nice man and the fact that his links with assorted dodgy (and outright horrific) people were used as evidence against him by the Tories does not somehow mean that this was made up/not true. He absolutely bloody did do this stuff.

This does not in any way make the Tories' new friendship with the DUP any less horrible and depressingthey are vile people. My point is, rather, that there appear to be an awful lot of very unprincipled people in politics right nowpartly because they know they can get away with it. The fanatical tribalism and partisanship of so many voters on both sides of the political spectrum means that politicians have the green light to do what the hell they want. It's just so damn sad.