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Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

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Sittinonthefloor · 09/06/2017 14:09

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 12/06/2017 12:06

LibDems could certianly pick up support but they do need a new leader

I like Tim Farron I think the problem is is that he is too honest unfortunately to get support behind you you need to be able to convince others when you are not totally being honest with yourself Corbyn has struggled with this at times (not at others!) and May also does (again not always)

I would love Vince to be leader but is he too old now ?

iseenodust · 12/06/2017 12:08

Christina my mistake thought an agreement had been struck. (Not saying I like it.)

NoLotteryWinYet · 12/06/2017 12:11

Yes, people need to understand why we have to have long term affordable spending commitments better - people don't understand that we will end up with unaffordably high borrowing costs, and there will be no EU bailout for us!

These are separate questions:
-the (un)affordability of spending commitments leading to a borrowing crisis and/or tax increases over what is stated in labour's manifesto
-the likelihood of the min wage and corporation tax rises + brexit to add up to high unemployment and hours cuts.
-a re-look at why we moved away from each of the central control type policies that Corbyn wants to revisit.

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Cuppaoftea · 12/06/2017 12:17

Theresa May isn't due to meet Arlene Foster until tomorrow, I imagine Leadsom will confirm when the Queen's speech will be after that. So there hasn't been a delay as such and it may still be Monday.

squoosh · 12/06/2017 12:18

Trump is about 70 though too isn't he?

And seems exhausted by the whole thing. Needs to take every weekend off to golf.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 12/06/2017 12:19

If he could turn this on in the last couple of weeks why not before?

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Cuppaoftea · 12/06/2017 12:21

Vince Cable is 74 so could be 79 by the next General Election.

squoosh · 12/06/2017 12:21

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QuiteUnfitBit · 12/06/2017 12:24

Vince Cable is 74 so could be 79 by the next General Election.
Or just under 75...

Dawndonnaagain · 12/06/2017 12:27

Churchill was in office until he was eighty one.

Cuppaoftea · 12/06/2017 12:29

Of course they aren't going to confirm the date until after May and Foster meet tomorrow.

Everything Foster is saying points to the DUP being committed to working with the Tories.

Davis already said this morning that his going to Brussels could now be delayed by his need to attend the Queen's speech.

If any of the Press try and whip that up in to anything more then it's plain irresponsible.

squoosh · 12/06/2017 12:30

Churchill’s health was in decline during his post war PM term though, didn’t he suffer a series of strokes?

squoosh · 12/06/2017 12:32

If any of the Press try and whip that up in to anything more then it's plain irresponsible

That's life I'm afraid.

BoysofMelody · 12/06/2017 12:33

Churchill’s health was in decline during his post war PM term though, didn’t he suffer a series of strokes?

Yes, he also spent much of the time in bed, depressed pissed or hung over. Eden was effectively running the country for much of Churchill's peace time stint as prime minister.

GretchenFranklin · 12/06/2017 12:33

My feeling is that the PLP were against the Corbyn leadership because his brand is further to the left than say Milliband's was, and the fear was that it made Labour unelectable.

I've even heard Blair say he would love to see Corbyn's ideas in government but the problem is getting it past the electorate.

Momentum are just Labour party members championing Jeremy btw not some scary communists from the 50's.

NoLotteryWinYet · 12/06/2017 12:39

i don't think that's the whole story - some moderates like me are against Corbyn and McDonnell's policies because we think that some of them will do more harm than good.

Some sensible politicians are thinking about more than the next couple of years, looking at long term pension and health cost increases and wondering whether people really understand the downsides of what they're voting for.

NoLotteryWinYet · 12/06/2017 12:40

economics never was blair's strong point - brown kept us out of the euro thankfully.

MissShittyBennet · 12/06/2017 12:43

However, I don't totally agree on the stage managed area. A couple of factories she went to she was given a hard time by workers that clearly were not Tories and when interviewed afterwards they clearly were not supporters.

Ah, I hadn't heard about that. She seemed to be mostly concentrating on party activists, and didn't make as many public appearances as PMs usually do.

JC on the other hand did have huge rallies which looked and were impressive but these, to a point, were stage managed as they were organised by Momentum.

I dunno, he also did a lot of walkarounds where random members of the public were able to speak to him too. He did one near me and people just turned up. I know people who went who aren't party members and who most definitely didn't get any invitation or vetting. It wasn't about Momentum making sure people were there. I know that because the people I know didn't get invited or contacted through Momentum, and I could have gone if I'd wanted and I am certainly nothing to do with them. People did actually want to hear what he had to say. They tend not to get many politicos in that area: I suspect May would have attracted similar interest, though it's a Labour leaning seat, but neither she nor any Tory front bencher visited.

It seems to be an approach that worked. It's generally acknowledged that he's a good campaigner and wins votes for himself that way, and you can't do that just by holding rallies with party activists.

Re Cable, people like him but he's just too old. Is he even interested in the job anyway?

NoLotteryWinYet · 12/06/2017 12:46

Vince stood for election, so presumably he's up for the next 5 years. Some people don't want to retire - Ken Clarke's another one. I say if they're up for it, it's fine.

iseenodust · 12/06/2017 12:49

When do Labour announce the shadow cabinet?

MissShittyBennet · 12/06/2017 12:51

Yeah he stood for election as an MP. Standing as party leader is an entirely different proposition.

Lalalandfill · 12/06/2017 12:55

I've even heard Blair say he would love to see Corbyn's ideas in government but the problem is getting it past the electorate.

Really Hmm? Where?

MissShittyBennet · 12/06/2017 12:56

It's a shame this thread is ending. For all the silly OP, it's turned into a good discussion! We should have a part 2!

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