Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

Kit30 - well said

Why would he? We are talking about a man who wants Brexit

So that makes him a hypocrite.

What about his U turn on trident and all his other long held beliefs?

Why would he? We are talking about a man who wants Brexit

He is the leader of a party whose official policy was Remain. He should either have got behind that fully and enthusiastically or stood down as leader. This was not a minor point or a freedom of conscience matter.

What about his U turn on "shoot to kill" policy

His latest tweet is so out of touch with what the DUP are actually saying.

LGBT rights aren't on the agenda. Economic aid for Northern Irish farmers, no referendum on Irish unity within this Parliament, maintaining a soft Irish frontier, no extra security checks for NI citizens coming in to mainland Britain post Brexit. All sound fair enough and shouldn't compromise the Good Friday agreement. Corbyn will know this, as Leader of the Opposition he needs to stop feeding unfounded social media hysteria and comment on what's actually on the table.

The DUP are sounding very positive about working with the Tories for a stable UK and government.

What about his U turn on "shoot to kill" policy

What do you think his views were and how have they changed?

Cuppaoftea - yes, I've just seen that too. LGBT rights are absolutely not on the agenda. He is mischief making.

Orlantina - I saw an interview he did a few years back with the BBC when he stated very clearly that he did not agree with it. Last week he changed that view.

Orlantina - even the interviewer said he had hardened his view on it.

LGBT rights are absolutely not on the agenda. He is mischief making

It's certainly raised the profile of the DUP and how rights in Northern Ireland are very different to the mainland. It also makes for some awkward conversation with Theresa May when she decides to come out for an interview.

Orlantina - I don't disagree with that BUT they will not influence/change our views in this country. For JC to indicate that is wrong.

I saw an interview he did a few years back with the BBC when he stated very clearly that he did not agree with it. Last week he changed that view

I was under the impression that ideally he would prefer terrorists to be taken alive if possible but would support the police if they had to shoot a terrorist dead. I was also under the impression that had always been his policy.

Shoot to kill deserves a proper discussion. Remember the IRA terrorists who were shot dead in Gibralter. Should they have been shot dead or were they executed?

I wonder what would happen if the Conservative Government wanted to bring in more progressive LGBT rights? Would the DUP tell them that they wouldn't support this - and if they did try and get a bill through, then the DUP could no longer rely on their support elsewhere?

That isn't what he said in his original interview. Last week, after the awful events in Manchester and London he decided the police should be able to use whatever force they needed to - it was a change from his usual stance and even the interviews said so.

Lass you asked If he could turn this on in the last couple of weeks why not before? And particularly why not during the EU referendum?
He did. He wasn't reported. I followed him in social m did and he did many, many rallies (more than any other party leader, I believe) and he spoke with the same passion. The difference with the GE was that the law said he had to be reported equally, so you got to hear him.
Kit30 it's Corbynistas. Small error, but kind of shows up your lack of political knowledge. You may know some students who voted purely in the basis of fees (but since there was no promise on existing fees, it seems unlikely) but less than 40% of 18-25s will go/have been to University and 70odd% of them voted. I doubt fees weee a major factor, tbh. And if they were, how is it different from older voters voting for policies which help them?
I'm 52 and a Labour voter, by the way.

Cuppaoftea - yes, I've just seen that too. LGBT rights are absolutely not on the agenda. He is mischief making

Yes - he really is making that up.

^Hard-won LGBT rights must not be sold out by @Theresa_May and the Tories as they try to cling to power with the DUP. www.pinknews.co.uk/2…^

No suggestion whatsoever that there would be any change in existing law. Even if DUP demanded this and even if she agreed pretty insulting to imagine Tory mps would agree. If that is the best he can come up with not very impressive although I suppose he is relying on his Twitter followers taking it as gospel.

Another candidate would not have nesscarily won because t'blairites ' would still have been pushing the austerity agenda or "Tory lite' like they did in the last election .

That isn't what he said in his original interview

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/17/jeremy-corbyn-allow-shoot-to-kill-exceptional-circumstances

Jeremy Corbyn has said he would authorise the use of lethal force against terrorists in the UK in exceptional circumstances to protect life if he is elected prime minister.

As a series of Labour MPs raised concerns publicly about his apparent rejection of a shoot-to-kill policy, Corbyn told the party’s ruling national executive committee that he would be prepared to authorise lethal force if it met legal tests.

In his leader’s report to the NEC, he said: “As we have seen in the recent past, there are clear dangers to us all in any kind of shoot-to-kill policy. And we must ensure that terrorist attacks are not used to undermine the very freedoms and legal protections we are determined to defend. But of course I support the use of whatever proportionate and strictly necessary force is required to save life in response to attacks of the kind we saw in Paris

That was on the 17th November 2015

Lass you asked If he could turn this on in the last couple of weeks why not before? And particularly why not during the EU referendum?
He did. He wasn't reported

He failed to turn up at his party's remain campaign launch because he was far too busy at a CND rally.

Even if DUP demanded this and even if she agreed pretty insulting to imagine Tory mps would agree

What's to stop the DUP stopping anymore progress with LGBT rights?

He attended more rallies than any other leader, Lass, and a greater percentage of Labour supporters voted Remain than even Tories. He delivered. And I acyptually think stopping the destruction of the works ina nuclear war is quite important, don't you?

I agree the arrangement with the DUP is far from ideal - I'm not comfortable with it and I don't think many people are BUT what is the alternative? another General Election so soon? Surely, the grown up thing to do is to have a period where Government can function and have some stability especially with the Brexit talks about to happen. In all likelihood there will be another GE within a year.

Bit This the lack of stability is May's fault. Why should we give her the benefit of the doubt now?

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/11/exclusive-jeremy-corbyn-warns-theresa-may-must-protect-lgbt-rights/?utm_source=PNT&utm_medium=SocialTwitter&utm_content=TwitterMB&utm_campaign=PNTwitter

Michael Fallon, who has a historically bad voting record on LGBT rights, was also interviewed by Marr.
When asked if he was repulsed by gay people Sir Fallon said: “Just because they’re [the DUP] agreeing to support us on the economic issues and security issues facing this country it doesn’t mean that we now agree with all of their views.
He added: “We do not agree and do not have to agree with any of their views on any of these social issues and I certainly don’t.”

Orlantina The DUP are concerned with constitutional issues and economic support post Brexit. There is no indication they have any interest in influencing mainland UK social policy. That is all devolved.