Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

Just a thought - even with JC having a very good campaign and offering freebies to every section of society (except the top 5%) and TM running possibly the worst campaign in history the Tories still got 55 seats more and a higher percentage of the vote. Personally, I think he has reached his peak. If the Tories change their leader, sort out their manifesto and run a good campaign - imo I think Labour will lose seats in the next GE.

Maybe not if public opinion swings further behind May if she shows strong leadership over the coming months and pushes through Brexit

Bless....you forgot stable.

For me Brexit and the terrorist threat are the only issues. Let's sort these out.

So where will TM get the money to appease the DUP then? Considering they're a party who have been embroiled in numerous financial fraud allegations are we really happy with our government giving money to them when we're struggling to pay nurses/doctors/teachers and disabled people are dying in poverty?

Maybe she had the magic money tree all along...

Interesting point. The tories will need to keep sweetening DUP up to get their votes. Will we have to suck up more austerity so that tories can throw money at DUP for votes.

150,000 people have joined the labour party in the last 3 days apparently.

Looks like the swell towards labour isn't diminishing anytime soon.

So where will TM get the money to appease the DUP then?

I assume they will want a guarantee that the same level of subsidy and funding which came from the EU pot will come direct so to that extent it isn't new money.

I wouldn't piss on May if she were on fire, but I was glad she raised the social care funding issue, and not just because it might be what cost her the majority. It's a discussion we're going to have to have sooner or later. The eldest boomers are indeed just turning 71, the youngest not far past 50 by some definitions, so not that many of them are in the cohort needing extensive NHS treatment and social care just yet. But it is indeed a ticking timebomb. We need to face it.

Definitely agree with this. Its a huge problem that needs to be spoke about instead of brushed under the carpet. I think May actually had the right idea. I do not see why todays tax payers (most of whom are struggling themselves) should be funding care for people who can definitely afford to pay for it themselves.

I know some see this as the start of privatizing social care...maybe it is. But the working age people just cannot afford to be supporting so many elderly people who do not actually need the help.

I also agree with removing pensioner benefits when they have over a certain income (though May refused to say what this income would be...). I don't really see the need in giving a free bus pas to someone who has an income of 80k or so. Nor 300 quid winter fuel allowance.

I do applaud May for having the ball to try and bring this issue to the forefront. Of course it caused hell on as pensioners are very rarely touched in regards to cuts. There is nothing left to cut away from working aged/disabled people now though.

Maybe not if public opinion swings further behind May if she shows strong leadership over the coming months and pushes through Brexit

Ha good one! In other news, I've just seen the RAF pig squadron doing aerobatics outside my window.

She can't 'push through' Brexit as she won't be able to get her vision (such as it was) through the Commons. Nor can she call another election to try and boost that majority without two thirds of the commons voting for it.

It would only take something like a 1% swing for the Tories to win a number of seats from Labour.

Brexit and the UKIP vote going to both the Tories and Labour has complicated the electoral map somewhat. Post Brexit I'd expect big swings.

Labour can only win in the future with a new leader who takes them back towards the centre.

Ahh the 350,000,000 promised to the NHS by Boris.
Plus the money we'll have to pay to the EU to retain any benefits. Oh yeah and Cornwall and the farmers. So glad we have the fiscally responsible Conservatives in charge.

I'm sure the South of Northan Ireland will be happy with the DUP being in charge of the purse strings too. Can't see any issues there.

Lass - I think a very thin Queen's Speech would be a good idea, dealing with the immediate issues.

John McDonnell, Labour’s shadow Chancellor, said the party would put forward a Queen’s Speech and urge other parties to support it.

McConnell showing some surprising thinking for someone wanting to be Chancellor.

Even if it was backed by all Labour, SNP, Green, Lib Dem and Plaid Cymru MPs, such a programme would only have the support of 314 MPs – short of the 326 needed to secure a House of Commons majority.

I didn't vote Tory and I admit I don't like Corbyn but even setting that aside banging on about how he will be PM and making up scare stories isn't impressive.

I assume Davidson raised the LGBT point to set down a marker but also to head this sort of scare mongering off at the pass.

cuppaoftea - I think this too

Lass - exactly

Agree Lass.

Likewise cuppa Labour slashed a number of Tory majorities to a few hundred and a very small shift in the polls could swing them to Labour. At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious.

After a period of chaotic Tory government, propped up by the DUP and either unable to legislate or getting defeated by back bench rebellions, they'll hardly look like government material. It will be like a turbo charged version of the dying days of the Major government.

I'm sure the South of Northan Ireland will be happy with the DUP being in charge of the purse strings too. Can't see any issues there.

No idea what you are on about? What is "The South of Northern Ireland"?

NI has 6 counties which make up the political entity of Northern Ireland. EU funding goes to Northern Ireland.

I don't want a GE for another 5 years. Someone needs to say 'Stop! Enough!'

Likewise cuppa Labour slashed a number of Tory majorities to a few hundred and a very small shift in the polls could swing them to Labour. At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious

And Tories could gain Lib Dem seats. Farron would be at risk. There are Scottish seats which SNP just barely held on to which could go to Tory or Lib Dem.

Wilson had a hung parliament t in 74 and called an election and got a small majority.

Boys - less than 7 weeks ago JC was thought of as an absolute liability to his party. They tried to get rid of him twice and thought of him as an embarrassment. People seem to have very short memories. Yes, he had a great campaign but it was built on offering freebies to everyone and it was total fantasy. The Tories will regroup and come the next GE, Corbyn will be exposed and questioned much more on his policies.

BoysLabour need a bigger swing to make gains from the Tories, SNP and Plaid Cymru. Another 54 seats for a majority and that's if they can hang on to the marginals from this election, some of which they won due to their undeliverable soft Brexit single market promise.

Not going to happen under Corbyn.

Wilson had a hung parliament t in 74 and called an election and got a small majority

Politics is an interesting beast and nothing is predictable. I think that's the one thing that's certain.

rbyn will be exposed and questioned much more on his policies

I hope he does. It will make a change to the constant dismissal of him that's taken place for the last 2 years.

We finally have opposition in this country.