Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

Agree derxa

YY Orlantina!

Politics is a ruthless world too!

The Tories will regroup and come the next GE, Corbyn will be exposed and questioned much more on his policies

How will they regroup when they can't even govern. It will be defeat after defeat, recriminations and rebellions. I can't see it happening. This time it was hardly like Corbyn was subjected to piercing scrutiny with 85% of the press lined up against him.

The south as in all the people that vote for Sinn Féin. The ones who hate the DUP. The ones that consider themselves Irish not British.

Do you honestly believe that a party who are involved in many financial scandals/links to terrorism will be advocating for an opposing political party and the people (catholics) that support them? You don't think that they will see this as an opportunity to fuck over the people that they hate?

Sinn Féin are threatening to take up there seats, a thing that they have never done before. You can't just pretend that this isn't a deal that will not effect Northan Ireland. It's not just business as usual.

Sinn Féin are threatening to take up their seats, a thing that they have never done before

And do what? Argue against the DUP asking for protection of the subsidy going to Northern Ireland? Once the money is allocated it is up to the Stormont Assembly how they spend it.

The Storming Assembly has been dissolved because they can't agree!

We are supposed to be the impartial ones helping to decide domestic issues. How will that happen when TM is in the DUP's pocket?

Bowl I have not seen a single credible source that suggests that Sinn Fein are preparing to take up their seats. Have you?

Stormont poxy auto correct.

Boys - The Tories are not going to just sit back and let JC and JM into number 10 and 11 - it's just not going to happen. They will be able to govern for a few months and keep government "ticking over". They will sort out their manifesto and a new leader before the next GE. Like I said earlier even with TM running the worst campaign in history the Tories still came out with more seats.

Interesting that you say 85% of the press lined up against Corbyn. I think the TV coverage was much more against the Tories especially in the last couple of weeks. Every time I switched on the news there Corbyn was at another rally, microphone in his hand throwing freebies at everyone. I saw a post on here the other day where the op came to the conclusion that depending on our views we interpreted the news/media differently. I'm probably not putting this across very well but say you are pro-Tory you tend to focus on the negative press/TV coverage that is being aired and come to the conclusion that it is biased. Hope that makes sense

Adams has confirmed Sinn Fein will not take their seats.

Personally I think not taking up their seats is an absurd stance but that is their stance, they fought their campaign on that stance so he is keeping his word.

irishpost.co.uk/gerry-adams-confirms-sinn-fein-will-not-swear-allegiance-queen-take-westminster-seats/

I thought it would be a cold day in hell before they took up their seats, in fact I'm sure I read an article today and a spokesperson said they would never do it. Would be genuinely interested to read any article that said to the contrary.

The Stormont Assembly has been dissolved because they can't agree!

There will still need to be a mechanism to allocate funding to the 6 counties. The DUP can't just pocket the lot.

Yes I think it would be very foolish indeed to predict what Corbyn can and can't do now. It's possible he has already peaked but also quite possible that this is just the start for him. People like winners and right now (and I don't know how long it will last) he has the look of a winner.

Ahem, sorry everyone, I missed a page and was responding to a post from about an hour ago. As you were.

But as for Sinn Fein - I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if they were to take up their seats.

"There will still need to be a mechanism to allocate funding to the 6 counties. The DUP can't just pocket the lot."

The problem is, funding isn't going through now, the mechanisms aren't happening with Stormont not working and public services and charities aren't getting funding...so it's not as straightforward as that.

You've also got the issue that if sinn feinn took up their seats it upsets the numbers more than they are already.

Though I haven't seen anything credible suggesting they're going to either.

Yes and if 50 Labour supporters I. Richmond voted tactically that would be another Tory out and a Lib Dem in.
It is easy to find snippets to suit your own agenda.

Sinn Féin are threatening to take up there seats

No they really aren't.

What an awful idea: the DUP pulling the strings.

sinn Fein would have to swear allegiance to the Queen and I don't think they will do that anytime soon. It goes against all their principles

Maybe Corbyn was in the media alot because he could be bothered to campaign.

SF aren't going to take up their seats. They've been crystal clear about that. I think abstentionism is eye wateringly stupid, both now and for the near century in which it's achieved fuck all. But that's their platform and their mandate. It's literally in their manifesto. They won't come to Westminster. Not that their presence is required for this to be a grossly unstable, never going to last arrangement anyway.

1922 Committee meet today! I am not sure what time. But hopefully we will know more soon.

Re the coverage, it's true that Corbyn was actually doing something to film. With the best will in the world, you can't put on TV what's not there.

There was also the potential for bigger stories because his events weren't so stage managed, so there was the possibility that a non-handpicked member of the public was going to come up to him and ream him. Not the case for May obviously. Not only did she do fewer events but there was less chance of any of them yielding a story. Thus, less interest.

Corbyn got savaged by the print press but, as I said upthread and as previous posters have hinted too, in a weird way that sort of stood in for proper scrutiny and I wonder if it actually helped him? As in, there was so much fuss over the IRA stuff and trying to paint him as pro ISIS from the DM etc, that turned some people off and delegitimised other criticism. The right wing press yarning on about his numbers not adding up whilst also ignoring that the experts said the same thing about the Tories just invited tit for tat, rather than proper analysis. Maybe even galvanised armchair Labour people who might not always turn up to vote. And also when you're publishing stupid cartoons about him loving ISIS, you're doing that instead of saying something sensible that might actually strike a chord with floating voters.

Miss - I agree with what you are saying. TM's campaign was truly appalling. Why she called an GE when she had the G7 and Nato summits to attend and when she was campaigning it was lacklustre to say the least. Turning up at a farm to visit one family, sitting around having tea - the whole charade was dreadful. Senior Conservative MPs nowhere to be seen the list of mistakes is endless.

However, I don't totally agree on the stage managed area. A couple of factories she went to she was given a hard time by workers that clearly were not Tories and when interviewed afterwards they clearly were not supporters. JC on the other hand did have huge rallies which looked and were impressive but these, to a point, were stage managed as they were organised by Momentum. A Labour MP stated that hundreds of Momentum supporters turn out every day to follow JC around and campaign for him. Of course, I am not suggesting there were no members of the public there because, of course, there was. I'm just saying Momentum made sure there were eye catching numbers of people. It was very impressive and Labour won the communications battle.

From my point of view, I can only hope that the Tories now sort this mess out, choose a new leader and go forward on a more positive manifesto.

David Davis has said it well, quotes from his appearances on various programmes collated in the Guardian.

"There is a distinction between running a campaign and running a country. And running a country is more difficult and she's incredibly good at it."

"The campaign was not a good campaign, let's be clear about that. But we are now talking about government. It is a very, very different set of skills, and she is very good at that."

On Brexit he has said talks will begin next week, delayed from Monday though due to the Queen's speech.

First three items on the agenda are EU citizens, money and Ireland.

He has absolutely rejected the possibilulity of staying in the single market. Says that people voted for three things, control of borders, control of laws and control of money (absolutely what I voted Leave for). That during the campaign both sides accepted leaving the EU meant leaving the single market.

McDonnell has confirmed this and Corbyn is going to have to show strong leadership considering he has MPs who won their seats campaigning on no backslide on Brexit and leaving the single market while others campaigned on staying or as the manifesto spins it 'retaining the benefits' of it.

Davis also confirmed they are still planning for leaving with no deal. Which is what I originally thought was what would Brexit would mean when I voted Leave. To me a trade deal is a softer Brexit!