Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

What do people who support shoot to kill think shoot to kill is?

Did the RUC and the British Army operate a shoot to kill policy in Northern Ireland?

www.theguardian.com/news/2015/jul/09/northern-ireland-terror-shoot-to-kill

Shoot to kill is not a soundbite answer. Nor is Trident. It's a complex statement that needs unpacking but it does sound so easy in a statement if someone says they don't support it.

It's worse in the world of 140 characters and twitter.

And what about the farage Lord thing?

Someone mentioned it was in the Sunday Times. I could only find the metro mentioning it but they also refer to the times.

The comments were interesting.

There is no indication they have any interest in influencing mainland UK social policy

No indication maybe. But now they have their foot in the door.

Cardibach - I agree it was a terrible campaign and we are in a terrible situation but tell me what you think should happen? At the end of the day JC is 55 seats (I think, or near that number) short and he got less share of the vote. ET keeps saying TM is squatting in Downing Street and that is just ridiculous. Conservatives did get more seats and a bigger share of the vote. We either go down this route or go straight into another GE. Please tell me what you think should happen?

Orlantina - this is not a formal coalition like the one between Conservatives and LIbDems it is a "Supply and Confidence" agreement and they are quite clearly going to want something but that will be along the lines of more money I should imagine.

And the bottom line is, Dup with their links to terrorists, not just what policies they have.

And no one has answered how the government is going to remain impartial in the good Friday agreement.

I think we should carry on and let the Tory party sort itself out.

The swing towards Labour has got to scare many Tory MPs and there are still really important issues such as education cuts and the NHS that have got to be weighing on Bankbenchers minds.

Corbyn has some great MPs and I hope that the Labour party can now provide a decent opposition.

TheWitch I read the DUP possibly want Peter Robinson for the House of Lords in the Guardian.

and they are quite clearly going to want something but that will be along the lines of more money I should imagine

Yes - I know what the arrangement is. But they have a hold over the party, even if it's not official. And politics can be dirty.

Even if DUP demanded this and even if she agreed pretty insulting to imagine Tory mps would agree

What's to stop the DUP stopping anymore progress with LGBT rights?

Corbyn is referring to rights being sold out. He is hinting presumably at rights in the mainland being reversed to the same as NI.

What future rights do gay people in the mainland need in law that they haven't got? You may of course be referring to T rights but as we frequently see on here that is a whole other ball game and cuts across party politics. Maria Miller was of course promoting changes in relation to gender identity - there were some pretty vocal opponents on here to that.

He did. He wasn't reported. I followed him in social m did and he did many, many rallies (more than any other party leader, I believe) and he spoke with the same passion.

I saw Corbyn 4 times on the so-called EU campaign trail. At 3 rallies he barely mentioned the EU in passing. At the 4th, he did not talk about the EU at all despite very heavy prompting by the MP with him.

They want farage apparently for the britex negotiations.

What's to stop the DUP stopping anymore progress with LGBT rights?

How could they?!

There's 10 of them, and 633 other MPs.

Corbyn is referring to rights being sold out. He is hinting presumably at rights in the mainland being reversed to the same as NI

Ruth Davidson felt the need to get reassurances as well from the Government that LGBT rights wouldn't be affected.

So Corbyn is just doing the same as she has

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40229826

The Scottish Tory leader said she had asked for, and received, a "categoric assurance" from Mrs May that any arrangement between the Conservatives and the DUP would see "absolutely no rescission of LGBTI rights in the rest of the UK".

I think there is going to be a very thin Queen's Speech - probably concentrating mainly on Brexit and very little else will. I can see this Government will just go through the motions and keep things ticking along until the Tories get a new leader then I reckon there will be another GE.

There's 10 of them, and 633 other MPs

How could they?

By telling the Conservatives not to go ahead with any planned leglisation because that means they would not back them in other areas?

They can't outvote them but they can say that they wouldn't support them elsewhere if they wanted to make more changes.

Orlantina - exactly and that has been widely reported so why is JC raising it again. I don't think for one minute that TM would consider reversing the rights here. It is absurd to think that would happen. I am no TM fan by the way but I really don't think this would even cross her mind.

Shoot to kill as a policy is not the use of lethal force in self defence or to defend others. It is a confusing phrase and JC shouldn't have used it or discussed it as it is irrelevant to the question of using lethal force against terrorists in the middle of an attack, or definitely about to commit one (the "Paris" question he was originally asked). Everyone, AFAIK, would rather those people are taken alive so they can be questioned and tried, but usually the force required to stop them has to be lethal because of vests etc. It isn't a moral question (unless you are one of the tiny number of people who do not believe in self-defence, which JC isn't). As with so much else, he should have been clearer and stuck to the point (I assume he was referring to NI or possibly, mistakenly, to Jean Charles de Menenez, neither of which were relevant to eg Paris) but I don't think his views have changed, an I suspect they are the same as pretty well everyone else's.

He did. He wasn't reported. I followed him in social m did and he did many, many rallies (more than any other party leader, I believe) and he spoke with the same passion

I saw Corbyn 4 times on the so-called EU campaign trail. At 3 rallies he barely mentioned the EU in passing. At the 4th, he did not talk about the EU at all despite very heavy prompting by the MP with him

I don't use any social media. I had no doubt whatsoever that Cameron, Davidson, Rennie, Sturgeon, Clegg and Dugdale were passionately and actively in favour of remain. Corbyn ? Nope.

I don't think they'll in quite so big a hurry for a general election next time. I think they'll get rid of May as soon as they decently can but after that, I can see them just trying to cling on as long as they can in the hope that people will forget what idiots they are. It'll be up to the opposition to show them up at every possible opportunity, which is all Corbyn is doing at the moment.

He failed to turn up at his party's remain campaign launch because he was far too busy at a CND rally. Exactly. JC may be fun atm but he is actually a danger to our country. Not hyperbole. We need to sort ourselves out. Everyone is carried away with 'personality.

Derxa - I totally agree with you

I can't see the Tories calling a General Election before the boundary changes, that also fits with the initial two year Brexit timetable. They may orchestrate a leadership change within that timeframe.

Maybe not if public opinion swings further behind May if she shows strong leadership over the coming months and pushes through Brexit.

I think there is going to be a very thin Queen's Speech - probably concentrating mainly on Brexit and very little else

Would that necessarily be a bad thing?

I think the budget is going to be the biggy.

NHS, education, benefits, housing costs......
Education was a massive issue before the election especially with Tory MPs and local councils.