Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

I agree that he didn't win but he didn't lose. Theresa May called the election because she expected a landslide victory. She wanted to increase her power so she couldn't be overturned by rebel back benchers.

We now have a hung parliament and labour has claimed some seats that have been conservative for years. Compared to all the projections and in the face of all the smear campaigns it's very much a victory.

I was just waiting for the BBC interviewer to ask John what's his face deputy if he was on drugs this morning.

Winning more seats than you had last time doesn't mean you won the contest.

Can you imagine telling Chelsea that they may have won more points in Premier League than Tottenham but they didn't win as many as last year and Tottenham won more points than last year so they've decided they're the winners.

He made 29 gains May LOST 12 or 13 - not sure about Kensington.

He didn't bribe people he inspired them. He gave his voters hope which is so refreshing after May's wretched glum outlook for our country.

No one else in the Labour party could have achieved these results right now.

OP I'm bemused that you think more people would have voted for Yvette Cooper than JC. Even more so that you think his policies were 'bribing' young people. Have you not had much sleep? But thanks for letting us know you listen to r4

Another Labour candidate is unlikely to be any different to the possible leaders who failed to mobilise the labour members to vote for them back when those members voted for Corbyn. I can promise that there are very few people I know who would have voted Labour with, say, Eagle, Primarolo, A N Other Blairite as leader. As it is, not only did most people I know vote Labour yesterday, but an enormous number of young people who haven't normally paid attention, suddenly become interested. Furthermore their social media feeds were also full of people who decided to vote Labour. Because of Corbyn.

You may not like him. His party may not like him. They're all going to have to rethink, because huge numbers of actual voters do.

What he did was astonishing.

Winning more seats than you had last time doesn't mean you won the contest.

Nope, it doesn't. But Chelsea can celebrate the fact they had a season with many wins, even if they didn't win the league.

And in this GE? Well, nobody won the contest outright did they. And TM herself qualified what would constitute a loss to her and her party... 6 seats wasn't it?

So yeah, she's still PM, still the biggest party, both wins. There were many other things to win and lose with this election, and many she lost.

I think her party will kick her out. They've already said they wouldn't risk another election with her.

No one else in the Labour party could have achieved these results right now.

See I don't get these arguements. No one can possibly know as the theory hasn't been tested.

Well despite all the press being against Corbyn, he's managed to show he's actually more electable than Milliband in spite of his 'far left' persona. I think if I were him I'd be pretty happy. Labour managed to take some key Tory seats which have cost them a majority.

he didn't really seem to grasp that a greater number of people had rejected him.

But the more people voted against May than for her, so that argument goes nowhere.

Corbyn policies were aimed at the young vote and were mostly unworkable.

He reminds me of the Greens, they were voted in in Brighton a few years ago and their stupid policies and right on approach all but wrecked the place.

If he had done the decent thing and resigned and allowed a proper leader with some sensible policies to take over I suspect today's result might really have been a win for Labour instead of the awful situation we now have. Hate to think what's going to happen with TM and the DUP in charge.

" But Chelsea can celebrate the fact they had a season with many wins, even if they didn't win the league. "

Chelsea did win the Premier League.

I think what he intended to do if he won was astonishing TBH.

"I agree he got bribed young people voting"

Do you not know any young people? The mobilisation of the younger voters was nothing to do with short term benefits to them, it was about brexit and the direction the country is moving in respect to that and in general.

I agree he got bribed young people voting. But what about all the people who normally vote labour but wouldn't under Corbyn? And people (like me) who would have voted lib dem but didn't want that to strengthen Corbyn, even though I don't like may either.

You are statistically irrelevant. He lost an absolute fraction of what he gained. Look at it this way, if you lost a tenner and found a hundred quid would you consider it an overall loss or gain? You're the tenner except Corbyn didn't find a hundred quid, he found ten grand. In his own personal constituency he went from under 30,000 votes to over 40,000. Quite a few more votes than TM, in a smaller constituency. He trounced her.

Losing a few 'new Labour' supporters is absolutely nothing to boohoo about in the face of the gains he's had. And the gains he's had are not likely to be anything compared to the gains he is almost certainly likely to achieve now that so many in his party are admitting their mistake for not supporting him, so many in the public are admitting their mistake in not supporting him, the press are realising they can't treat him like a joke anymore, the youth are learning that if they come out en mass they can make a difference. And while all this sinks in TM, or whoever replaces her, have a lame duck government propped up by 10 racist, misogynist, homophobe terrorists and will have to negotiate a Brexit with an EU that have just spunked their collective pants in glee at the state of your government and their vastly reduced bargaining power (of which they had very little to begin with).

Corbyn could literally not have done better. He and his stalwarts are the only British winners today. (The EU has also won, and won big time.) They have made great gains while swerving the absolute poisoned chalice that is Brexit negotiations. And they now get to sit with real strength and stability, smelling of roses, while the Conservatives will be able to do little more than bend over in the face of an EU that has solidified it's own unity in the last 6 months.

I meant Tottenham as per a pp's post user

So the Conservatives got 2.4% more votes than Labour. A party which was in turmoil and pretty much considered to be no real opposition. I would say that is an amazing achievement. All this against a backdrop of some pretty harsh commentary in the Press and from opposition within his own party.
Labour are now a force to be reckoned with.
The results are far better from a Labour than a Conservative point of view.
And people were saying yesterday that the Tories would win and mumsnet would be full of Labour sour grapes threads. There are sadly no winners with this result especially with the UDP link but at least there are now two horses in the race largely thanks to Corbyn.

I strongly suspect that it is true to say that another Labour leader wouldn't have done any better. Corbyn brought out the youth vote in a way that wasn't achieved by Miliband. I think people also found it a refreshing change that, when he was interviewed, he tended not to use the standard politician's evasion because, in general, he had nothing to evade; when they came up with all the nonsense around the IRA etc, he had the answer ready because his stance on that issue had been a properly thought-through, principled one and it was fully defensible. By contrast, the spectacle of May ducking and diving around her dementia tax u-turn and other salient questions on her record was painful to watch.

why his disciples can't see that another candidate would probably really have won!

Oh cool, you mean like Miliband did.

No one else in the Labour party could have achieved these results right now.

I have been part of Labour all my life, I have never seen anything like this campaign. Not even Blair actually, although he is the closest.

Never seen such incredible enthusiasm for a politician! It is extraordinary.

Everyone's lost, one way or another.

He's done well and is taking the line he has taken because he is trying to keep up the impetus that he has gained in recent weesk. There is a strong chance of there being another election so he will have that in mind.

The results are far better from a Labour than a Conservative point of view.

To an extent however it is the Tories that are still in power.

And this word 'disciple' is so patronising and rude.