Can any Tory voters justify cuts to disability benefits?

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Or are any Tory voters actually disabled and in receipt of pip?
Just interested to find out.

There aren't enough "rich people" to tax for the freebies. The extra taxation will swiftly include everyone.
Corbyn and McDonnel are Marxists, the fairness they allude to actually means reduce everyone to the same level.
They believe in massive state control, the state takes your wages and leaves everyone with the same, it is how Marxism works.
They are telling you what they are, it is not difficult to understand.
People no longer vote for Marxism, it is a failed ideal.

Motherhood are you aware of the fact that we have the lowest corporation tax in Europe, and even with Labour's proposals, that will still be the case.

People do not seem to have learnt anything from the Glasgow bin lorry crash.

You mean where the lorry driver lied about his medical history to get a driving license? Are you saying the man who had three heart attacks did not disclose his past medical history?

Because the Glasgow bin lorry tragedy happened due to one person lying about his medical history to obtain a driving license. No other reason.

I know people who've had two heart attacks and can work and do work. The system isn't saying people have not had the heart attack; it is advising that people are well enough to go to work.

Those people need to then be honest with the DVLA about past medical concerns and only drive again when their doctor advises it is safe to do so (as per DVLA guidelines).

You don't seem to understand that being declared medically fit by the DVLA / Doctor and being able to work are two very different things. I am not medically fit to drive - I am totally fine to work. So guess what? I go to work full time and I don't drive.

I would vote Tory but I have multiple sclerosis and am living under thread of pip being decreased. My ms has got worse, not better. It was wicked to change the parameters and to ignore dodgy Atos medical examinations, there should be some sort of penalty for atos when people have to go to tribunal and atos decision is reversed.

So I'm voting Labour but I don't want to. Can't stand the man or much of what he stands for, but loyalty to tories is detrimental to me.

"They believe in massive state control, the state takes your wages and leaves everyone with the same, it is how Marxism works."

Really? Where did they say that?

Tiger if someone already has a driving licence the JC will tell them they must include applying for driving jobs. They have to apply for ANY job or be sanctioned

And im also talking about the fact that people may lie TO KEEP A JOB THEY ARE ALREADY IN rather than face poverty.

My other key concern is terrorism and Islamist radicalisation and I have no faith in Labour, Lid Dems or Greens dealing adequatly with these issues

CrossWordSalad What??! The Tories supply arms to Terrorists. How do you think they are going to deal with terrorism and Islamic extremists? They have no plan.

They can't justify it but I also think the majority just don't care enough for it to put them off voting Tory. A lot of my family live down south in a predominately Tory county and I'm ashamed to say that as long as they are ok and continue to live their lavish and privileged lifestyles they're happy. They don't stop to think about other people less fortunate. Needless to say I do think about other people so have voted labour.

Right wing MNers on working tax credits.....................we shouldnt be paying this out of our taxes we have worked so hard for as high earners.

Right wing MNers on minimum wage..............if this goes up to £10 an hour it will destroy business and the price of goods will rise

Because certain people will always need a group they can feel superior to.

It's my opinion. I'm entitled to it. So deal with it.

Tiger if someone already has a driving licence the JC will tell them they must include applying for driving jobs

But if they have a health condition which affects their ability to drive they're obliged to inform the DVLA and will lose the licence if it will impair their driving ability.

Helena Do you not think it is possible for some one who has had two heart attacks to be safe to drive?

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CrossWordSalad What??! The Tories supply arms to Terrorists. How do you think they are going to deal with terrorism and Islamic extremists? They have no plan.

Gottage Are you another who thinks that government involvement in arms deals with Saudi started with this government. Have you looked into what previous governments did, including Labour ones? The same, is the short answer.

I think the Tories will, now that there is starting to be more honesty and openness about the problem, be able to tackle some of the root causes of extremism and radicalisation. I have absoultely no confidence that the Labour party would have either the will or the ability to do so. They are to wrapped up in notions of identity politics and multiculturalism.

HelenaDrove.

No one should lie about medical conditions and driving - if you haven't learnt that after the Glasgow bin Lorry crash then I am not sure how to explain it so you can understand why it is a bad idea.

No one should lie to the DVLA or their doctor about medical conditions that stop you driving.

The job centre do not force you to take a driving job if you have an illness that stops you driving.

This is not how it works, you seem to not understand that this has nothing to do with politics or parties in power - it has been like this for the last 15 years so through conservative and labour and coalition governments.

Needless to say I do think about other people so have voted labour.

Yes, how very true and how very saintly and wonderful you are. I care about no-one. Not my children or my neighbours or the people in my county or country. None of them, its just me, me, me. Let me know when you've finished with the puppies Motherhood so I can have a go.

Why do people keep saying this tripe? Is it really possible to believe it? Unbelievable.

There are also plenty of jobs that aren't driving-related jobs around. Although I do believe that in some areas there are less jobs and it is more a case that people don't want to move to find work which is sort of understandable (pain in the arse moving).

It really bugs me when people use politics to make it acceptable that those with medical conditions would put others at risk by lying to the DVLA. There is really no difference between a drunk driving illegally and someone with a medical condition lying to obtain a driving license and driving (and as I've said previously, I am currently banned from driving due to a medical condition).

Crossword of course they can DH was told back in 2006 that he was safe to drive after his.

He barely does though because HE knows hes not up to it. HE knows his own body and his own health and the stress of being on the road.

Tigershark but the fear of poverty may be likely to influence peoples choices.

Im not saying its right. Of course it bloody isnt. But that doesnt mean that it doesnt happen.

"Tigershark but the fear of poverty may be likely to influence peoples choices."

Don't be so bloody ridiculous. We do not let people off other crimes (and yes it is a crime) with this excuse.

You don't get to be a shit citizen because you "fear poverty". Not when there are many other jobs you could be doing that don't put people at risk of death by your stupidity.

Just because someone cannot drive does not mean they cannot work.

I feel some people take this as the easy way out - it's ridiculous (and one of the reasons why the system needs to change). Unfortunately those people who decide not to work because they can't drive then throw a wobbler and blame their poverty on not being granted ESA... It's not the fault of anything but their cruddy decision making.

Being medically able to work is a completely different concept to being able to drive.