Can any Tory voters justify cuts to disability benefits?

[malificent7]

Or are any Tory voters actually disabled and in receipt of pip?
Just interested to find out.

Save your inevitable sneering comment please piglet.

I will no longer be on benefits after this week save for Carers Allowance and my son's DLA.

However, I recently looked at Universal Credit to see what the difference was if I had to remain on benefits. I was worse off by just over £150 a month. Not funny when you cannot work because you need to care for someone.

I strongly suspect the Conservatives will still be in power tomorrow morning but I hope and pray that they are given a real kicking in the process. They need to understand how much their policies have impacted upon people.

Agree with you monkey, there are many people out there who really couldn't give a toss about anyone else.

Comments about guilt posts making someone vote Tory are disgusting. It says a lot about that person and their attitude to others.

Thankfully I still believe in the goodness of people.

I am Trustee for a charity which supports parenting and education. Around me there are many other charities which have sprung up in response to the cuts. They support mental health, life skills, homelessness etc.
If (as I suspect) the Conservatives win another five years in power then we will continue to work alongside those other charities to support those who need it. I volunteer with several other women who are passionate about the support we can give ....we are currently training more volunteers who also believe in the value of supporting others. Whatever the result I still believe there are many people who do care and who will step out and offer their support to others. That gives me hope...no matter what the election result.

Empathy is dead. I'm sure we will have another 5 years of Tory rule and cuts. Glad people think its an amusing game

Especially when the Tory cuts are predicated on lies.

In 1997 our debt as a % of GDP was 42%. So the Tories left power with 42% debt levels. In 2007/8 it was 36%. Then the global economic crisis hit which meant we had to massively increase borrowing to prop up the banks.

Grand. What are the Tories going to leave us this time.

The Tories have spent 7 years talking down our economy. No wonder it isn't strong and stable.

I see PIP from both sides both my sons are disabled my eldest mental health is very poor and I understand the fight to get the benefit but I can understand why they have to to do something. A lot of people are genuine and a lot automatically keep their benefit but others could work.

deblet PIP isn't an out of work benefit!!Surely you should know that at least given you work in one of these centres!

Thank you. Glad that posters like you exist

(Sorry..i am Monkey)

But the hill they walk up to the office is at least twice that and they don't limp until they get into the building.

We'll concentrate on the fakers. Not how that's an appalling set up for disabled people. The genuine ones have to walk at least twice that but hey ar least it separates the wheat from the chaff. not to mention out centre doesn't even have a car park, taxis can't stop outside because of where the centre is situated, the only other option is bus, literally across the road, or a taxi dropping you off as near to the centre as they can which still ends in a short agonising walk for someone on both crutches for example. Do you also work in the same building where the assessment room is on the third floor and the disabled loos on the SEVENTH?

Mind you, suppose we've got to make doubly sure they aren't taking the piss eh?

The BBC were interviewing a man On the program last week, I can't remember what it was called, it was quite shocking. This man has not worked for over 40 years. Because he couldn't be arsed and had no serious medical reasons which were rubbish. It's a joke. He knew it was a joke. He didn't care. And yes of course he got all sorts of benefits under the sun. Why is that fair. Its people like this who should be targeted because it really damages and harms those genuine people who need disability aid and benefits. The disgust should be targeted towards those scroungers who play the system somehow.

Sure. As soon as you justify why Labour ran this country to the ground until 2010 and why trade unions(that elect your leader) are holding the country hostage at every given opportunity.

"He got all the benefits under the sun"

Name the ones he

Got

DlA and PIP fraud rates are exceedingly low. And they are not out of work benefits. People can work on them

People not getting what they deserve and need..much higher.

I dont think we can beat the propagandists though. They have won this election and probably will win every one now.

Save your inevitable sneering comment please piglet.

Wow

I am fed up of being told I am brainwashed or stupid for not voting Labour.

I have empathy but maybe people need to think about others circumstances before name calling.

Those that 'know' me on here are aware that I have said before I am terminally ill.

I won't see my DC or DSC grow up.

I won't watch as they get married.

I won't meet my DGC.

In fact it is highly unlikely I will see the youngest finish primary school.

Every body has one vote to do with legally as they wish.

I know believeitornot.

Part of me gets cross at how others just lap all these tory lies up.

Then the other part of me thinks, fuck it, when they start cutting what YOU get, and what YOU earn and raise YOUR taxes they said they wouldn't raise, (they were raising self employed taxes only a fee months ago until the national uproar-they've never actually ruled out raising taxes throughout their whole campaign) they've got what they voted for and I won't have an ounce of empathy for people who were warned.

Well I empathise with you piglet. Shane others cant do the same for us.

I wouldn't call your post a guilt trip. Labour voters have written similar and it has been called such though..so so wrong.

Nothing more to say.

Can't be bothered reading any more of this.

All the best for today.

Creampastry I'm one or only two actual real single parents on this street.

The rest of the 'single parents' all claim it, even though they have their 'absent fathers' on 40/50hr a week work living with them.

All it'd take is a random spotcheck like they used to be able to do. I still don't just judge everyone else by the ones on this street; and I won't judge thousands of disabled people by one person who's managed to wing his way to benefit utopialand and was daft enough to be interviewed on tv over it.

Geez can I just point out I had been up since 6.30, worked all day and it was late last night so I did not have time or energy to write an essay. Of course I am aware it is not an out of work benefit however 83% of the claims that came through my office last year were also on ESA and only 4% of those were on permitted work. I live in a high unemployment area so tend to see younger people who have generations who have not worked use DLA and now PIP to make sure they have more money to live on. It makes me laugh to be called disablist in a household with 5 people, 4 of us are registered as disabled and my son claims both ESA and DLA and my younger son is also on DLA. I was just trying to point out that something had to be done to stop people who do not deserve it claiming so much. I have to go to work again now Happy voting.

Sure. As soon as you justify why Labour ran this country to the ground until 2010 and why trade unions(that elect your leader) are holding the country hostage at every given opportunity

It was a global financial crisis. The only people who brought the WORLD to the ground were the bankers at the top. At least Iceland had the balls to prosecute theirs.

My hubby has just moved in....I have declared him straight away. I don't know what other single parents get up to in this street or even if they have people staying while they claim etc. All I know is that I wouldn't risk it....it's not worth doing, sooner or later they will catch up with people.

I am now officially "off benefits" and am relieved to be so....it's been a long and difficult three years. I really wouldn't wish that lifestyle on my worst enemy.

83% of the claims that came through my office last year were also on ESA and only 4% of those were on permitted work

So 4% were able to find permitted work which accommodates their several illnesses?

Do you work in a PIP assessment centre or an ESA one? Because the contractors are meant to be entirely separate so both shouldn't be held in the same contractors building.

My son gets DLA but he doesn't look disabled and this is a massive issue.

Sad,y a couple of hours with him (or sometimes just a couple of minutes ) demonstrates his difficulties. I grin because sometimes it's as simple as him talking AT me or someone else about his passion for gaming or insects. You wouldn't get a word in edgeways and her is totally oblivious to anything around him while he is in full flow. It's why he cannot go out and cross a road safely without someone to be with him and remind him.

But to look at him you'd never know.

'Random spot checks' happen, but worse.
If you are single mum the benefits agency keep tabs. After my husband 1st left (Tory govt) I was summoned to an interview after about 6 months- extremely nosey, personal and told that they put ppl like me under surveillance to catch them out!

Unknown to me my ex still had one of his credit cards registered at what was our house (mail diverted). Because of this they presumed he was living with me, I had to send in 6 months of bank statements, wage slips, bills etc and when they didn't receive it due to their shit mail system stopped everything!

Got it sorted but anyone who thinks it's easy is on a different planet.

Likewise ESA. I went on it following a massive breakdown and hospitalisation. Was on the 'assessment' phase for 10 months- which is now the new rate and not enough to live on. I had to keep sending in sick notes which entailed either sending them in and having payments delayed/stopped because of their shit post system. Or the phone line advise you to go to your local job centre plus to get it in immediately, and every time I did that I was belittled and one time shouted and ranted at in the open plan office, for having the cheek to do what the phone line told me to!

I'm trying to remain stable, and working towards getting back to work by the way before I get scrounge bandied about

Point is that the general philosophy of the moment is if you are on benefits you must be taking the piss and the system must treat you like shit to put you off.