Can any Tory voters justify cuts to disability benefits?

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Or are any Tory voters actually disabled and in receipt of pip?
Just interested to find out.

Piglet

utterly unfair piglet

Wow Deblet all fraud must happen in your area and no other. Fraud for DLA/PiP runs at 0.05%. That's the government's own statistic.

danger assessment phase is a bloody joke. It's supposed to be 13 weeks. Dd has been on it since November!

Looking at this is seems even the lefties are assuming Teresa will win.

JC is a protestor, he has hidden away people who could ruin the number of votes he will receive (not Diane though, there is something very strange going on there) She should have been signed off sick and supported by her party months ago but I think JC allowed her to do what she liked.

Could you imagine her chairing a COBRA meeting even before her health issues??

Not in a million years will he be PM but he has tried to bribe peope to vote for him.

Labour HQ

Is this the place for that post?

Conservatives have slashed budgets on all fronts and yet still run a deficit at a time when we aren't in recession? Seriously, how can you marry those claims up with the actual economic data?

They were given a gigantic deficit and have spent the time since reducing it, that's why they've "run a deficit" the whole time, come on.

They could have cut it quicker but with the economic profile of the UK this decade it would probably mostly have come from cuts to public spending, or pushing the boundaries on taxable income past breaking point, or trickery (eg sly damage to economic activity that would make it smaller but hurt jobs etc

I am sure, from speaking to politicians, that most of them are not massively intelligent, and I am sure all of them run the country into the ground then blame the other lot, but we do not need, cannot afford Corbyn's spending plans at the moment. Those are worse than the other two alternatives on offer. It would not be kind to public services to run the country into the ground quite that hard, it could eventually lose us public services en masse and kill a lot of people, and I would rather that did not happen in my kids' lifetime.

I think the number of voters who still have tribal loyalty is very small these days, and most of us will have to grit our teeth, vote with reservations for a party we don't like and accept at least one manifesto point we hate - I know I will. For me keeping Corbyn and his spending away from number 10 is important for a variety of reasons, and the economy is only one of them, The best way to do that is to vote Conservative.

Anyway, the choice between terrible options is upon us. Best of luck to you all.

i don't think you can argue for an inconsistent position - (well you can try) - either you are anti austerity, anti deficit reduction measures, in which case going on about the tory remaining deficit seems besides the point, or you are pro deficit reduction - in which case, how would you do it without making cuts?

I think we could put up personal taxes for deficit reduction reasons, without increasing spending commitments which labour have done but I doubt that's a popular position.

You might not NEED more funding for pukbic services but some of us do thanks

I can't believe someone would read this thread then say we don't need more funding.

Well sadly I can

yes I'd take back the last bit to make it clearer - I'm not against reversing cuts if we collect money through tax increases, i meant the extra public spending on new things when i said 'increasing public spending' - that's what I particularly object to as it is not long term sustainable and my view is that we're in a massive fight to maintain our current public service basket due to the aging population.

i wish there was an edit button, always half thinking about work at the same time.

How on earth has he bribed people to vote for him?

Oh no. He's proposing things that will be good for people. How appalling.

My mum is disabled after a botched hip operation. My 87 year old dad has to care for her (thankfully he is in good health but gets very tired). she gets no disability benefit and he gets no carers allowance. The only thing they do get is a blue badge for my mum (which she had to prove she couldn't jump through hoops for!).

They vote Conservative because they agree with their policies and remember how bad previous Labour governments have been. They don't want to be dragged back into a strike infested 1970's nightmare which destroyed my dad's business.

Regardless of the mumsnet massive telling us who we should vote for if we are compassionate, caring human beings, who don't care about our own interests but to put the interests of others before our own. Please get real! The vast majority of people will vote for what they believe is best for them and their families.

He thinks he's fucking Santa

Well Theresa May is obviously Santa's wife then. Especially after promising billions, not millions, billions into housing and railway only a week after telling labour there's no magic money tree. I could as easily say she's bribing people too.

Corporation tax.

Tax avoidance.

Regardless of the Mumsnet massive telling us who to vote for

I dont tell you to vote for. I couldn't give a shiny shit if people vote for JC, TM, TF or Bob from down the road. Just exercise your democratic right and vote. The only thing I ask is that people make informed choices. Both sides aren't / don't.

Right wing MNers on working tax credits.....................we shouldnt be paying this out of our taxes we have worked so hard for as high earners.

Right wing MNers on minimum wage..............if this goes up to £10 an hour it will destroy business and the price of goods will rise

Well Hillingdon if Diane Abbot was on ESA she would highly likely be judged as fit to work.

Creampastry Is that the lefty BBC we hear so much about?

"Geez can I just point out I had been up since 6.30, worked all day and it was late last night so I did not have time or energy to write an essay."

deblet it wasnt the length of your post that was the problem. It was the massive contradictions and false untrue comments within it.

Worth posting again i think.

there was a recent article about a man who lost his ESA because they deemed him fit to work after two heart attacks.

He had his third heart attack three hours into his new job as a DELIVERY DRIVER.

People do not seem to have learnt anything from the Glasgow bin lorry crash.

Because the fact is if someone has been deemed not ill enough to qualify for benefits.........and they end up in an unsuitable job and inadvertently cause harm to someone else i would fucking love to hear the argument for the prosecution. Because how the fuck can the system prosecute someone for hiding an illness when the system has insisted that they dont have that illness and are fit to work.

Sadly it is going to take a case like this to hit the courts and im not sure that even then it will wake people the fuck up! And before anyone says "well people dont have to take unsuitable jobs" the JC will often give the choice of that or a sanction.

And there is a possibility that people in driving jobs already could well be hiding an illness that is a risk to themselves or others and could lose them their job if it was made known. Because anyone who may be in this situation will have the choice of taking this risk or being on a low rate of ESA which has been cut by £30 a week and being called a scrounger.

So they might see it as having no choice!!!