Can any Tory voters justify cuts to disability benefits?

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Or are any Tory voters actually disabled and in receipt of pip?
Just interested to find out.

I'm interested too. Hoping to not get wanky answers but it's likely

I imagine all tory voters know that they would never become disabled - it couldn't possibly happen to them...probably because they are so hard working and worthy.

So it is fine to cut this benefit.

Can I just pre-emtively add:

• no they were not streamlined to be made more efficient
• people have committed suicide as a result
• yes, assessment is a massive hurdle for a great deal of people. Able to stand for 5 mins? well of course you're able to apply for the waiter position working 10-hour shifts

I am not involved in any disabled benefits anymore so just looked up full fact.
"Spending on disability benefits will be higher every year up to 2020 than it was in 2010".

The conclusion was: "Correct in cash terms. Taking inflation into account, there will still be a rise in spending, although not in each consecutive year" - Published: 23rd Nov 2016

So obviously some people are getting a cut but surly the money is being better targeted?

or more likely, they do care that people with disabilities are getting shafted repeatedly, they just don't care about it as much as achieving a hard brexit, or being willing to fire trident....or any of the other 100 issues that divide the political spectrum.

I'm voting Tory. I don't want to see any cuts to disability benefits. I don't agree with any party on all their policies. There are many issues I have considered in deciding how to vote. For me, the priority is getting out of the EU and ending freedom of movement. If we don't successfully do that, I think we can start waving goodbye to our welfare state and NHS anyway. My other key concern is terrorism and Islamist radicalisation and I have no faith in Labour, Lid Dems or Greens dealing adequatly with these issues. So it's not that I agree with benefit cuts, or that I think they are unimportant, but that there are other issues which I see as more urgent at the present.

its a privilege to be able to care more about brexit and borders, than about disability cuts.

If you were disabled you might not be free to care about much more than whether you can afford to live next year or should just give up and top yourself now......

I'm very interested in this. I may have to apply for dla soon.

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there are other issues which I see as more urgent at the present.

Don't mean to jump on your comment there, nothing personal, but I do feel that this sentence pretty much sums up peoples' attitudes to voting for the Conservatives. It's just not top priority for them.

Unfortunately for them, disability doesn't discriminate and a lot of people who vote Tory may well find themselves jumping through these hoops, facing these difficulties and cuts which they did not regard as Very Important, one day soon or maybe not.

So it's rather short-sighted to not prioritise it, imo.

I'm voting Tory. I don't want to see benefit cuts to those that need them.
This one policy won't make me not vote for them though.

"justify" having to complicate, cut, lose something vital to Britain because we've been collectively made skint?

Isn't that a bit like someone punching you then asking you justify yourself bleeding?

If you want someone to rationalize practically anything, you want a professional liar politician. If you want someone to pretend to you the other side just relish cuts, well a professional will do that for you too.

As a voter, I'd actually like to see the political class (especially the Labour Party) justify getting us into this dire financial situation in the first place, they seem to see every problem they have caused as an opportunity to score political points off each other and to have no regard at all for the human cost - either to genuine benefit claimants under stress, or to the working people they take benefits from.

'Not as urgent' issues are the wank I expected to see.

I almost wish ... nah ... better not

Oh, okay so if I vote according to what I think is best for my family and community in the long term, I'm driving people to suicide. Yep, that seems rational and convincing.

Did you read my point above that I think we will end up with no welfare state or NHS if we don't extract ourselves from the EU Morphene?

It is though without a strong economy you can't have benefits, NHS etc. It's why I'm struggling to choose how to vote - lots of Tory stuff I don't like but I trust them to deliver a business friendly brexit which is the only way to make brexit work - low business taxation and the higher personal taxation in the medium term to pay for public services.

Ok, my mistake. I thought this was a thread for a genuine discussion. I see it's actually just for another "Tory voters are selfish bastards who eat babies". My bad. Over and out.

Just a little FYI here: Assessing people and turfing them off benefits, and subsequent suicides, began under Labour because they had no choice given the benefits bill.

So if checking disabilities kills people and is a "holocaust", be well aware it was your lot's idea.

As a voter, I'd actually like to see the political class (especially the Labour Party) justify getting us into this dire financial situation in the first place,
The didn't'.

Can any labour voters assure us where the cash to support those in need will come from?

Can any party?

If Brexit is such a priority then why did Theresa May distract by calling an election?

Due to this, civil servants work is highly restricted and they have to be careful what they work on.... that's great timing 🤔

As a voter, I'd actually like to see the political class (especially the Labour Party) justify getting us into this dire financial situation in the first place

I don't think labour caused the global financial crash did they?

Nor did they implement austerity measures which stifled economic growth.

I just don't understand this rhetoric that labour is shit with the economy. Both parties have made questionable decisions over the economy.

Yes I have narcolepsy and incontinence due to nerve damage my meds aren't working at the minute . I have had to give up my dream career because I just couldn't do it. What employer will want me? I can't work core hours I need flexibility, disability tax credits will disappear when I do find a job due to UC. I don't want to be a "scrounger " I have thought about suicide in the past feeling useless is heartbreaking because no one wants to give you a chance.

Anyone who votes Tory is voting for cuts to disability benefits whether they want it or not.

Do any of them think it is fair and just that my severely disabled ds, - who is in residential care, requires 2:1 care and has a deprivation of liberty order to keep him safe, - should have to continually prove that he is disabled enough to receive his benefits? Do you think that is a wise use of resources? He isn't going to get better.

Pip seems to be really hard to get with an assessment in most cases. Attendance allowance for over 65's is relatively easy to get with usually no assessment. I understand about non means tested benefits but seriously I see many pensioners that are absolutely loaded and getting occupational pensions and state pensions with thousands in the bank and then being eligible to claim £83 a week attendance allowance a week on top and I can't help thinking that the money could be better spent on those that really need it. It is probably a case of the Tory's looking after the pensioners who vote for them but it just doesn't seem right to me. I see it time and time again, often the applicants themselves are really surprised that they can still get it with lots of savings in the bank. On the other hand I see a lot of cancer patients who are undergoing chemo for a year or more. All they can get is £100 ESA a week and they often aren't disabled enough to claim PIp and they are worried sick about losing their home because they can't pay their mortgage and live off £100 a week, and I just think they really shouldn't have t be worrying about finances when they are fighting for their lives. none of it makes sense, some getting a lot of money out of the system when they don't need it and others getting very little when they desperately need it ! It's going to be an even more massive problem in the future as people live longer with disabilities.

She had to call the election to get the majority she needs for her hard Brexit.

She had zero understanding of the power of social media.