Can any Tory voters justify cuts to disability benefits?

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Or are any Tory voters actually disabled and in receipt of pip?
Just interested to find out.

there are other issues which I see as more urgent at the present.

Would that still be the case if you or someone close to you become disabled tomorrow, CrossWord?

I will vote conservative because it is in the national interest, in the interests of the NHS and, by the way, vulnerable people here and abroad that the deficit is reduced and Brexit trade stuff is negotiated successfully.

Corbyn is offering us sweeties today until we get sick, no need to worry about tea. That attitude will do no good if, having spent enormous amounts we have to cut much larger amounts from these budgets in the future, and potentially severly downsize the NHS etc because we tanked national credit rating and an a deficit for 30 years. You will really see a lot of people die if the madness is not stopped.

I don't hold the alternative manifestos in great esteem by the way, but at least the conservatives plan to keep doing something about the deficit -the Labour manifesto and rhetoric makes it quite clear they intend to talk about the deficit a bit but basically stop doing anything about it while we put our collective fingers in our ears and make everything "free". It won't be "free" when it has to b paid for, probably by our DCs when they grow up.

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*ran a deficit

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\they can't. how can anyone say that its ok to cut benefits for the most vulnerable......you would have to be heartless.

I do understand people are interested in what impacts them, but please remember the vast majority of people are not born disabled. It could be you at any time, or you child, or loved one. It's no good then saying where is all the help? Why are people living in poverty having to pay for their care? Why are wheelchairs not provided which is a pretty vital piece of equipment?

There are a lot of people, including disabled people, who will vote tory because the cuts aren't affecting really genuinely disabled people, and if they are it isn't very much.

Some of them will have a very nasty shock, like the lady on Question Time who thought she was a small business owner who would be helped by the conservatives but turned out to be on benefits.

As a voter, I'd actually like to see the political class (especially the Labour Party) justify getting us into this dire financial situation in the first place

Surely after 7 years it has to be acknowledged that the country's finances really are not down to the Labour party?

branleuse they are the least worst option - Corbyn and his cabinet of "talent" would be worse on terror and also the economy. I don't want my child have to pick up the tab in the future for his spending plans, despite the fact that she would be better off by not having tuition fees to pay - in the longer run she'll end up paying more by higher taxes in the future, assuming she can get a job.

I spoke to a tory councillors last week out canvassing. Their main thing was brexit brexit brexit. They looked quite perplexed at me when I asked what their stance was on the NHS, benefit cuts, housing and school places for example.

Says it all really.

Once again, stop with the narrative that people who vote Tory don't care about disabled people. It is a ridiculous and simplistic delusion from your own party's campaign literature. In reality people vote for a variety of reasons, and very VERY few people (if any) are going to vote to abandon, or even try and hurt disabled people as their priority in life.

Can any labour voters assure us where the cash to support those in need will come from?

Look at the manifesto - it's considerably better costed than anything the Conservatives have produced. And I say that as someone who doesn't actually intend to vote Labour.

There are a lot of people, including disabled people, who will vote tory because the cuts aren't affecting really genuinely disabled people, and if they are it isn't very much.

I don't even know where to start with this one. They really, really are.

One thing that could be done usefully is to campaign and shame - those who ARE swinging the lead are directly responsible both for reduced sums available for those who need them AND the perception in some areas of the press and the public that there are a lot of unnecessary benefits paid out.

Perhaps people thinking it's ok to claim they can't work and claim benefits would be less likely to do so if they could see the impact.

There seems to be a lot of help for some people and very little for others. DLA for a child even at the very lowest level of DLA gets you significant extra tax credits if you are a low income family. Obviously I understand it is needed and often one parent can't work but it is not an insignificant amount when the premium is applied.

Of course they can't

and I'm getting angrier and angrier with the lot of them in general

In Shrewsbury town centre earlier, our local Tory MP and his cronies shouted 'I hope you're wearing deodorant today' at one of my vegan friends when he asked them about Tory arms dealerships with Saudi.

If you are a tory think about these idiots who represent you and consider if you REALLY want to vote for them

I am voting Tory, as is my DH who has just been through the PIP assessment and lost his higher rate mobility (and by consequence his Motability car). He's also a Tory councillor and uses his own disability experiences to try to positively influence council policy in all matters, but particularly as they relate to disabled/elderly/infirm constituents.

And the over 65s are starting to be sent for PIP assessments now too.

I also think the government needs to be putting a lot more resources and money into the nation's mental health.The numbers of people who seem to suffer anxiety / depression/ personality disorder is huge and when a significant proportion need to claim long term disability benefits for these then I can see it's a huge problem for the government.

Yup. Me. I get PIP. Dd gets DLA. I vote Conservative. I must have missed the memo that says disabled folk are not allowed to vote Conservative

Where in OP's post or anyone else's is this claimed? But it is a reasonable question to ask why you would want to, given the fact that you have been shafted and will be shafted yet more if the Conservatives return to power.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/30/disabled-readers-austerity-disability-cuts

If you are a tory think about these idiots who represent you and consider if you REALLY want to vote for them

I don't want the idiots Corbyn and sidekick McDonnell to represent me either. Which is why I REALLY won't be voting for them.

Surely after 7 years it has to be acknowledged that the country's finances really are not down to the Labour party?

7 years nothing. The deficit ensures that debt will rise dramatically until it is cleared, and best projections are that it will be cleared in 2022, given that we have cleared about a third of it now. More realistically, it might be cleared by 2025-30.

That is the kind of timescale we are talking about, that is how long it will be before it will be possible to stop debt rising - that is what the deficit does. Also it is being brought down, if it wasn't we could be talking about even longer.

Honestly "it's been 7 years" and "tory debt" are terms best used on people who don't understand what a deficit is as opposed to debt.

Perhaps people thinking it's ok to claim they can't work and claim benefits would be less likely to do so if they could see the impact.

Can you explain what you mean by that? I dont understand. Are you saying people who claim they can't work and claim benefits are responsible for the reason we need cuts?

Yes Away. It was sarcastic. I have heard people say precisely that. I'm sorry - I thought it was obvious from the next line.