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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To try and persuade you not to vote Tory.

375 replies

MissBax · 07/06/2017 14:21

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/05/31/the-nayler-report-nhs-privatisation-by-the-back-door/

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/naylor-report-tory-nhs-privatisation-healthcare-flog-off-conservatives-theresa-may-election-2017-a7766326.html

www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-property-and-estates-naylor-review

I am totally and shamelessly begging people not to vote for Theresa May.
Amongst a host of other reasons (education, policing, housing, pay etc), she has confirmed she fully backs the selling off of the NHS.
Follow link above for the full Naylor Review.

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CatThiefKeith · 07/06/2017 19:11

I've voted Tory for years. I'm voting labour this time because I think JC is an amazing man, just a bit ahead of his time in the U.K. Unfortunately

MissBax · 07/06/2017 19:11

waitforit - dear God, no!!!

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NameChanger22 · 07/06/2017 19:12

I spoke to a Tory voter today. She's voting for them because she wants our human rights ripped up. When I told her I'm not voting for them she said "do you support the terrorists then?"

I give up.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 07/06/2017 19:14

I would vote Tory if it would keep the SNP out.

For reasons which completely escape me the Lib Dems seem to have a chance of taking the seat so I will be voting Lib Dem.

Sparklingbrook · 07/06/2017 19:14

Yes really bossy.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 07/06/2017 19:16

I just hope we don't end up with a Labour SNP coalition, oh my God Noooooooo

No , please no. What a nightmare.

MissBax · 07/06/2017 19:16

Sparkling - how so?

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gluteustothemaximus · 07/06/2017 19:16

posts like yours op are the reason i ain't voting labour and why so many people voted brexit

Sensible reasons to vote Confused

CivQueen · 07/06/2017 19:19

Ahhh relax it was a joke.

I've good naturedly taken it on the chin today when my Dad called me a lentil weaving Corbyn cultist Grin

If anything it was a comment on diehard blue/reds.

You know, the kind that really would vote the way they always have, and only maybe wouldn't of May/Corbyn kicked a pet/child in the face.

They exist, we all know they do!

Lynnm63 · 07/06/2017 19:19

She did, OP, lynn Davies I think her name is, she barged through the HoC knocked him out of the way shouting get out of my fucking way, didn't apologise even when it was clear he was blind refused to give him her name and stormed off with the HoC security chasing after her. It was a few years ago but you don't grow out of that sense of entitlement.

PuckeredAhole · 07/06/2017 19:19

OP ODFOD

Bambamrubblesmum · 07/06/2017 19:20

623 sorry not buying it. I very much doubt if elected Corbyn will last long and will have a vote of no confidence from an internal part coup. Then watch the rise of the Blarites again.

Also his peace qualifications may lead them back down the 'force for good' world police route again. Not willing to take the chance. It's a very different prospect actually sitting in the big chair than marching on the streets with a banner.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 07/06/2017 19:21

I was (and am) a Remainer and would have absolutely no strong political views . If David Milliband was LabourLeader now he would 100% have had my vote

Me too. I'm not voting Labour whilst Corbyn, McConnell and Abbott are the options.

Justanotherlurker · 07/06/2017 19:22

The argument that the Tories are anti-NHS and Labour are pro-NHS is simplistic and one sided. And ultimately dangerous. In fact, it was the very blinkered argument that led us to this point. All parties have historically been complicit. If you look at what ‘New’ Labour did with PFIs and Foundation Trusts, what does it amount to if not pre-privitisation? ‘New’ Labour introduced measures that Thatcher would only have dreamt of.

Labours manifesto ‘solution’ is that although they intend to repeal the 2012 Health and Social Care Act – which is undeniably a positive step – they make absolutely no indication that they plan to open up and renegotiate the PFI contracts. This, is just pouring £30bn down the corporate-banking sluice. At best, it is a partial solution that favours the banks and PFI Consortia. While we are all Tory bashing – a real and informed public debate is suppressed.

The toxic burden of PFI debt alone could bring down the NHS. From the Consortia side the capital investment has been re-financed down to virtually 0% – while the NHS will have to continue to pay ‘Unitary Charges’ (including management fees, service charges, etc.) for the full life of the contract (sometimes longer than the life expectancy of the building?!?) Basically, It amounts to free money to the Consortia – and a debt-burdened NHS for us. How do you “reverse privatise” or limit “excess private profits” on contracts that have decades to run?

The bulk of the Labour PLP/NEC showed their hand in the recent leadership contest. Who was Owen Smith if not a Big-Pharma-wolf in a ‘socialist-sheepskin’ corporate shoe-in for the job of Labour leader? (He was certainly portrayed as one at the time, or have we all forgotten?)

Labour may be the better choice – but a safe pair of hands? We need a much deeper analysis an more informed debate beyond a reflexive knee-jerk yes.

If we merely vote Labour kick the can down the road for the next five years – we may lose the NHS anyway. And yes, if not all, Labour would have to shoulder a fair weight of blame.

Am waiting for the not true socalism labour response, labour and there supporters do not get to wipe the slate clean and re write history

MissBax · 07/06/2017 19:22

OP ODFOD - I have no idea what this means.

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Bambamrubblesmum · 07/06/2017 19:24

Also Obama was given a Nobel peace prize but still used targeted drone strikes and state sponsored assassinations. Awards don't predict future behaviour.

angelcakerocks · 07/06/2017 19:24

I completely agree with atotalshambles and lasswithedelicateair

Justanotherlurker · 07/06/2017 19:24

bollox, wrong thread

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 07/06/2017 19:25

FFS another one of these 'don't vote Tory' threads.

Anyone who changes their vote because some randomer in the internet tells them to probably shouldn't even be allowed near a polling station Grin

Why aren't you campaigning elsewhere instead of preaching to the choir in this left wing echo chamber?

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 07/06/2017 19:26

ODFOD means Oh Do Fuck Off Dear

Rather apt

MissBax · 07/06/2017 19:27

Anyone who changes their vote because some randomer in the internet tells them to probably shouldn't even be allowed near a polling station - Agreed, although I've had several comments saying "it's posts like these that make me go and vote Tory", which I find weird.

Why aren't you campaigning elsewhere instead of preaching to the choir in this left wing echo chamber? - how do you know I'm not? 😉

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MissBax · 07/06/2017 19:28

ODFOD means Oh Do Fuck Off Dear. Rather apt - enlightening.

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LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 07/06/2017 19:29

It's a knee jerk reaction to the tedious one sided posts on here.

Doesn't matter whether you are or not - coming onto MN to tell people that the Tories are evil is a bit like going into a maternity ward and saying 'aren't babies great'

sysysysref · 07/06/2017 19:30

If David Milliband was LabourLeader now he would 100% have had my vote.

Absolutely and we wouldn't be in this bloody mess