to wonder why MN is so let wing

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That's it really; MN seems to be overwhelmingly Labour leaning and that's not obviously indicative of the country as a whole, and I'm under the impression that MN covers a very wide social/ economic spectrum so you'd think it would be more representative of the electorate a s a whole
Rational non insulting reasons would be good

I'd be interested to know if anyone ever gets called an evil labour supporter with no empathy or regards for anyone else in society.

Well generally that doesn't happen because it's not very accurate, is it? Labour voters in general are voting for them because they believe that they'll do better for the majority of actual people in society, rather than the more Tory view that 'Oh it's better for the country' by which they mean 'business and me in particular'.

BTW I am not a Labour supporter, I'm a very swing voter, but I am generally left wing. Conservative voting motivations are generally are less about the individuals affected by swinging cuts and disgusting policies towards vulnerable people, but rather they tend to take a more "better for the country as a whole" approach, riding roughshod over individual people's needs.

Also frankly a lot of right wing voters that I've beeen engaging with on here and in real life seem to have limited critical thinking skills and are not very good at diseccting the rhetoric that politicians spout to get to the real stories and policies - either that or they're pretending not to in order to not appear that they know all that and are still choosing to vote selfishly.

According to YouGov you are more likely to vote Labour if you are a woman under 40, earn less than £70k and are educated to degree level.

The richer and older you are, the more likely you are to vote Tory.

So MN may simply reflect the age, earning power and education levels of it users.

Or, as in my view, there are plenty of Tories around and you're just not noticing them.

Wanttobehonest and strawberrygate shall we start a breakaway forum? Toriesforbrexit.net

Chaz - alas Mumsnet has become a proxy political battleground. Sockpuppets and 'turfers abound. Inviting the political leaders in doesnt help that.

Smeaton has all the whiffs of a momentum worker.

I shall proudly be voting conservative tomorrow - and for afters I shall go and find a poor person and grind their face in the dirt - and maybe throw pennies at a nurse whilst wearing a top hat, spats and smoking a cigar.

Since you have all the data - Smeaton - can you tell us why the labour party is swamped with outright anti-semitism at the moment?

Are they let wing - never heard of that one. Heard of left wing and heard of right wing - never heard of let wing though

It's like left wing but for people who don't give a f!

Lady - actually i quite like my critical thinking skills. I can see beyond the giveaway policies of the Labour party and think that actually all politicians go into politics do what they think is right for the country. They have different approaches to get there.

I have met an awful lot of politicians while working in parliament and in the committee rooms and most actually want to do the right thing. They have different even orthogonal routes to the similar end game.

I'm definitely left wing and I find Mumsnet very right wing - or just plain ignorant of the facts on the whole.

I would imaging anyone right wing would find it left wing and feel it was just plain ignorant of the facts

As humans we tend to notice the opinions of people who disagree with us more than those that agree - those we just accept as they confirm our views

So for me I could read twenty posts from people hating the benefit changes and I would agree with them and move on but the one post that supported them would anger me so much me it would stick in my mind and occupy my thoughts.

"I'd be interested to know if anyone ever gets called an evil labour supporter with no empathy or regards for anyone else in society."

Well, I have certainly been called a terrorist sympathiser who doesn't care about dead children........will that do?

What's wrong with saying you voted for brexit?

I'm a Brexit voter too

Usually the noisy rhetoric ones on the left are shunned by both sides. It doesnt get the work of running the country done.

Corbyn is one of those that is more interested in making a noise than making the country better. It is why his manifesto plays directly into the momentum support base

I know at least 2 Conservative voters who regularly tweet and retweet on Twitter calling labour voters leftards, libtards, snowflakes, bigots, players of the race and gender card, racists, remoaners, loonies terrorist sympathisers, hypocritical, metropolitan liberal elite, fake news purveyors and more.
I didn't know I was any type of 'tard but I do now.

And here we go again....
anyone who presents facts and figures, and is robust in debating is immediately accused of being a bot, or a shill.

Why shouldn't people have figures to hand??

What's so bad about knowing things??

And BAbs - if you don't want to debate, don't come on threads that are for debate.

What you have done on several threads is steam in, say your piece then refuse to engage further. (and then insult others for pointing out facts)

What I suspect you mean is "I don't like being challenged, so I won't bother engaging"

If you think you are so right, then engage in the debate with everyone else. Otherwise why bother commenting if you "don't want a debate"

Lana, I have a strong suspicion that most people will just scroll over smeatons cut and paste effort because for one they don't have the time to read every link let alone the inclination to write a rebuttal to each point when they will just get called a 'cunt' for their efforts.

I do wonder if the likes of Smeaton honestly believe they are winning the hearts and minds of potential voters by spamming Internet forums with cut and paste links or with their vitriol

This thread has rapidly proved my point that some people don't actually want debate and conversation, just to shout their piece without having it disturbed by uncomfortable facts and sources.

Corbyn is one of those that is more interested in making a noise than making the country better. It is why his manifesto plays directly into the momentum support base

And May is about making the country better? Really?

I find it to be completely left wing and a hard time is given to any poster who is not of the same mind set.

Can you link me to that betrandrussell

I think MN reflects my live in general atm - Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc is full of Left Wing opinions - it's really getting on my tits. I go on social media for a bit of gossip and a laugh, not for a party political broadcast.

I think it all seems so biased because Lefties are just more gobby. People with other political views don't seem to bother.

What I have noticed is that if posts query or contest a left viewpoint they get immediately told they are a troll or working for the conservative party, but that doesn't seem to happen as much in the other direction.

I don't think it is.left wing. Read all the many "AIBU to think TM is a ..... " type threads started in the last few days - pretty well balanced I'd say.

Look, I agree that Smeatons first post hasn't really fucking helped, and was plain out of order.

But why all this mistrust of people presenting facts, or trying to debate?

Why are so many people refusing to debate with those of us who have been nothing but polite and factual??

How can people really think it's ok to come on a forum, air their views, then refuse to debate them, at all??

Sorry, that wasn't very clear - I mean read the posts on the thread rather than the OPs.

My 15 year old said recently that the right always turns out to have been on the wrong side of history. He meant that all the small c conservative things that Conservatives want to preserve in aspic or not change are eventually changed.

Everyone in this country over the age of 18 has a vote today. It was liberal politicians who campaigned first for poorer men, then for women to be allowed to vote. Every party except the Conservatives now wants to extend the franchise to 16-18 year olds. Why? Because their voters are older, cynically, or because they are stuck in the past? What's the betting that within the next 50 years the voting age will be reduced?

This is more about social policy than about fiscal policy but the two are interlinked because the fiscal policy is based on the same 'if we serve the rich, the poor will eventually benefit' approach. Trust a rich man to vote on behalf of the country. Trust a rich man to earn enough money to trickle down to you.