To not understand how any parent could not vote for Labour, our kids need the NHS don't they?

[April2013]

I just don't get it, our children need the NHS, me and my children would probably all not be alive if it wasn't for the NHS, and if we had to pay for private I probably wouldn't even have children....and even if you have private healthcare we all need our police force. I just don't get it. How do people justify this to themselves?

You will always have the NHS no matter who is in so I wouldn't worry about it.

But what we don't also need is mass immigration which labours manifesto intends to allow- And the terrorists which come with them.

Zeffering, not what this thread is about, and get your facts right before you post. Labour is talking about managed immigration.
As for the terrorists coming with them, the Manchester bomber was born here.

One of my closest friends is a consultant in a busy teaching hospital. He's adamant that labour would be a disaster and that the issue isn't the money it's the infrastructure.

I do wonder about the recent health reforms in the US, obamacare?

Do you think there is something we can learn from that, Make?

I think that the time has come to accept that the NHS cannot survive in its current form. It provides excellent emergency services but overall I don't think it's particularly good. We have a large and aging population and need to look at how we fund it. Personally, I think that we need to look at making a capped contribution to using it dependent on income I.e charge x amount every time we use it until we meet the annual limit, say £100 per person per year unless you have exemption say, are on benefits. It simply can't find everything people want, such as boob jobs and other such cosmetic procedures. We have to put our hands in our pockets to a point. This is how it works in most of Europe and it works well.

I would also like to see pharmacies taking on more routine GP roles such as stitching cuts - maybe we could pay £5 and just walk in and get it done. Perhaps they could do basic contraceptive appointments for the pill or what about being able to provide a consultation for ear infections and sore throats for over 5's with a GP appointment only if there's a question mark over it. I've lost count of the hours I've sat with a primary school aged child with an earache knowing that all we need is an amoxicillin prescription. Or maybe they can deal too with basic dermatology appointments all for a small cost. That would really help

Interesting the amount of health professionals on this thread who feel labour will not benefit the NHS.

Zeffering, not what this thread is about, and get your facts right before you post. Labour is talking about managed immigration.
As for the terrorists coming with them, the Manchester bomber was born here.

Yes too right he was born here-But if his parents had not come here as Libyan immigrants then he would npot have been born here would here?

You all sit worrying about voting labour as you have children, try considering preserving there health in the first place by not supporting a party who is going to allow enemies of the UK to come here.

Manage immigration? No party will get my vote which is going to accept any other than zero tolerance to allowing people which could threaten the health of my children.

Some of you on here need to wake up and smell the custard.

Conservative voters are not 'justifying anything' has it not occurred to you that maybe we believe that Corbyn ( and Abbott )are not fit to run the NHS or any part of our countrys' future.

Oh and as for those poor starving nurses pay caps, they get guaranteed incremental pay increases and 6 months full pay when off sick. Something private sector workers don't bloody get. Most of our nurses did bank shifts on top of their usual hours too and earned bundles doing that.

scatterolight, this has got to be one of the most ridiculous and pompous posts I've ever seen here..and I've seen a few..

This is the crux of the matter. As I said, those on the Left have deprived themselves of all other outlets to feel good about our nation. I'm willing to bet that most feel rootless and an uneasy sense of low-level loathing for our country and people. So they cling to the NHS as our only achievement, and the one thing that binds us together

This kind of hysterical viewpoint makes me lean away from voting labour to be honest. If it's down to catastrophising rather than presenting a logical structured pragmatic plan then it screams that there is no substance.

Also the thought of Abbott as Home Secretary is quite frankly terrifying.

Throwing money at the NHS won't solve it's problems. Like all public sector bodies there is institutional mismanagement, slacking and waste.

If you want to see how well Labour will run things, just look at how the last Labour gov't handled the NHS...

PFI was a nonsense idea. There's a hospital near me built with pfi money. The NHS pays to lease it. The total lease cost (beyond the first few years) now outweighs the build cost considerably, and the gap will continue to grow as the years pass.

I'd like to see how a Labour supporter can defend that.

I have seen nothing at all - apart from FB memes - that suggest the Tories intend privatising the NHS. Do you have a link OP?

My relative (NHS consultant) will be voting Conservative, the best party to protect the NHS. Don't believe all the Labour hype. The Tories will best protect the NHS.

Honestly don't think any party can resolve the NHS, I just know locally we have had a large A&E close at weekends leading to the next nearest hospital bursting at the seams at weekends. As someone who had to use A&E recently, and wait 7 hours in excruciating pain before getting any pain meds it's really frustrating!

sysy agree good ideas.

pilates maybe that's because they are boots on the ground and know thriving cash st a failing top to bottom organisation is a waste of money

Ex nursing sister 1989 to 2010.

Spent my time seeing high paid management consultants going from meeting to meeting and getting nothing done.

Seem waste on an industrial scale and mismanagement at every level.

If you think just throwing cash at the NHS is the answer you havnt a clue.

And to add we have many nurses and doctors as friends. All bar one are voting reluctant Tory and the other LibDem.

None of them trust Corbyn one inch

sure they don't

everyone I know who works in the NHS are desperate for a labour government

The thing is the NHS in its current form is a bottomless pit as soon as there's money another need is identified and the demand for that service goes up and more money needs to be found to fund it and so on and on it goes.

But as the so called dementia tax, which primarily protected the poorest in society but asking those who had the biggest assets to pay more for their social care, you can't have a sensible debate in U.K. About the NHS because no one thinks they can't have their cake and eat it

Ssd I think they probably just wanted to spare you

read this "Fluffypineapple"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2947820-To-think-that-people-should-read-the-Naylor-Review-before-Thursday

I'm not that delicate champagnesocialist

What I'd like to see is a system that suggests that the ruling political parties were actually in it for the good of the country as a whole rather than a system that encourages the parties to lie about their intentions in order to get elected and then to do as much damage as possible once in powere basically booby-trapping the next incoming administration. It's like living in a household with two warring, divorcing parents who don't give a shit about the children, just about petty point scoring. The FPTP system does nothing to encourage voters from feeling disenfranchised and safe seats just allow complacent MPs.

Both main parties have done considerable good, and considerable harm. The recent polarised narrative of good=left and bad=right makes a mockery of reasoned political thought and this kind of OP is tedious in the extreme.

Op; where do you get the idea from that the NHS is being scrapped? Read the manifesto for the Tories cover to cover and nowhere does it say the Tories are going to get rid of the NHS. So your thread is a bit irrelevant. It's just a myth that Labour seem to have spun, and a lot of gullible people have jumped on the band wagon.