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Original poster

To not understand how any parent could not vote for Labour, our kids need the NHS don't they?

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April2013 · 06/06/2017 12:51

I just don't get it, our children need the NHS, me and my children would probably all not be alive if it wasn't for the NHS, and if we had to pay for private I probably wouldn't even have children....and even if you have private healthcare we all need our police force. I just don't get it. How do people justify this to themselves?

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Decsbetterhalf · 06/06/2017 14:14

All this mess is labours fault for the overspend the last time they were power. They spent money that wasn't there.

This!

and I am a high earner so will be fucked on tax

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 06/06/2017 14:17

Oh it's really annoying, these dramatic OPs.

What's that to do with being a parent, are parents suddenly a better sort of people?

Dingalingalingaling · 06/06/2017 14:18

All this mess is labours fault for the overspend the last time they were power. They spent money that wasn't there.

Exactly this. Not only that, they encouraged the population to spend money they didn't have, which is another reason so many people are struggling today.

UrsulaPandress · 06/06/2017 14:19

Hurrah. A thread where lots of sense has been written.

I think education should be taken out of politics along with the NHS.

makeourfuture · 06/06/2017 14:21

All this mess is labours fault for the overspend the last time they were power. They spent money that wasn't there.

Not true. The books were in pretty good shape when they left.

The debt we see today is Tory Debt.

Exploding Tory Debt due to failed austerity strangling growth.

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April2013 · 06/06/2017 14:21

...I dont mean to be offensive at all, sorry if it seems that way, it's just that since having children I have had to use the NHS a hell of a lot more than before. Nothing to do with parents being better at all and I certainly don't think that.

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Biker47 · 06/06/2017 14:24

The debt we see today is Tory Debt.

Look up what a Budget Deficit is.

ElephantsYeah · 06/06/2017 14:25

I think the fact that the health minister, Hunt wrote a book (or a chapter in a book) recommending the privatization of the nhs coupled with what we know about how privatization occurred in the past (railways, utilities etc) with a systematic run down of resources has led many people to join the dots and make the assumption that a long-term Tory goal is to privatize the nhs.

The assumption that the Tories will opt to introduce an American style insurance system might seem far fetched, but I understand that this is what Hunt recommended in his book so I think it's a fair assumption.

It might not be in the Tory manifesto but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen.

Dingalingalingaling · 06/06/2017 14:26

My view is the NHS should be separated from politics
The only way to separate the NHS from politics is to fully privatise it. Which is what they have in America. You do not want that. All the time the NHS is publicly owned, it will be run by politicians.

scatterolight · 06/06/2017 14:30

Because, I know this is going to shock you, some people think that there are more important things than the faith-based worship of the NHS.

It continues to surprise me, particularly given current events, that so many people return obsessively to the NHS as the ONE clinching factor for their vote. That the NHS, above all other issues, keeps them awake at night.

My dealings with the NHS have been mixed. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it is harrowingly bloody awful.

The rabid, illogical support for it amongst the Left can only be explained by the fact it is the only thing we are allowed to be proud of these days. All other outlets for national pride having been deemed problematic.

So tiresome.

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April2013 · 06/06/2017 14:31

Elephants - yes this is what scares me. I can't imagine Labour having a U-turn and deciding to fully privatise the NHS and ramp up cuts. The idea of selling off city centre hospitals so they can sell off the land fills me with dread, we should be renovating existing and building new hospitals.

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HappydaysArehere · 06/06/2017 14:34

Agee with Piglet. Corbyn is far from the answer as he would bankrupt the country and the Tories have never been dedicated to the NHS. In fact the choices we have now only lead us to vote for the Party who will do the least damage while in government.

StealthPolarBear · 06/06/2017 14:34

Why should we build more hospitals

StealthPolarBear · 06/06/2017 14:34

Why should we build more hospitals

ShatnersWig · 06/06/2017 14:35

Enid I've been saying for years the NHS doesn't need more money but a total reorganisation but no one has the balls to do it because it's considered a sacred cow. It is being asked to do too much and things it was never set out to do. It is the fifth largest employer in the world and even with all the supposed cuts being inflicted, between 2010 and 2015 there were 300,000 new staff. Now, clearly, a lot of those can't be on the shop floor. Sorry, but there are people with conditions that limit seriously impact their health and without regular cheap drugs will be a serious drain on the NHS as they age while some people get three free IVFs. It's screwed up.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 06/06/2017 14:36

How did Cameron/Theresa not manage to get it so it is in a good position for the future already when most of their voters can't afford private?

Why couldn't Blair/Brown get it in a good position when most of their voters can't afford private?

strawberrygate · 06/06/2017 14:38

Jo Cox was based near me and the fact she was Labour convinces me they are the safest bet
sorry, I'm genuinely confused. What's that got to do with you pretending conservatives will shut down the NHS?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 06/06/2017 14:38

Jo Cox was based near me and the fact she was Labour convinces me they are the safest bet

Sorry I am confused. I'm not sure what you mean.

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April2013 · 06/06/2017 14:39

I don't think it is illogical to want to support the NHS, I agree completely it is a mixed bag and occasionally things go very wrong but the majority of times it keeps us all going and helps us out in times of crisis and if we support it it will grow and improve. The idea that we all collectively pay for a service to help all of us is what makes me think we are a nation, it's about helping each other fundamentally. I feel like this is about empathising with our fellow citizens and really important, especially now, we are so lucky to have it.

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strawberrygate · 06/06/2017 14:41

And conservatives don't think that at all. we don't want to help each other or have any empathy...
So, what's Jo Cox got to do with it again?

WalkingOnLeg0 · 06/06/2017 14:41

The idea of selling off city centre hospitals so they can sell off the land fills me with dread

Sorry this exactly what we need to do to improve our NHS. City centre hospitals are in buildings that cant be renovated into a modern fit for purpose facilities.

Dingalingalingaling · 06/06/2017 14:42

My dealings with the NHS have been mixed. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it is harrowingly bloody awful.

I agree. In emergency, they're brilliant. The rest of the time it ranges from good to ok to shit.

Dawndonnaagain · 06/06/2017 14:42

It's interesting that those voting conservative are blaming the non existent Labour overspend. I wonder if that's how they justify it to themselves.

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April2013 · 06/06/2017 14:43

Because she devoted her life to helping other people, I don't mean to annoy people so I think I will sign off now.

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makeourfuture · 06/06/2017 14:43

as he would bankrupt the country

The Tories are doing that now.