To think people who would otherwise vote for corbyn may not because of Diane Abbott?

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Sorry if there's already a thread about her latest cringeworthy interview but I couldn't find one... here she was on sky new last night, clearly having failed to read the police report she was there to discuss:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/3731086/shadow-home-secretary-diane-abbott-car-crash-interview-sky-police-security-london-bridge-attacks-terror/amp/

I like corbyn and what he stands for, but I can't give him my vote with these buffoons around him!

amyshepherd - and I am old and nearing retirement age and I remember Corbyn and the platforms he has stood on, the people he has stood shoulder to shoulder with and the unspeakable things he has supported by being there with these people.

nearly everyone on here has kids - its called Mumsnet. and I don't want my kids saddled with years and years more of debt when Labour fuck up the economy yet again by spending money they don't have. remember PFI that was Labour.

I also want my kids to live in a country not ruled by the EU and I think the best person to negotiate that deal isn't Jeremy Corbyn.

user - I knew Corbyn years ago in London when I was a NALGO rep and heavily involved with the unions and the left of the party.

The torys are the least worst option for me. so perhaps what will come out of this is that we get the politicians we deserve unless more people start stepping up into politics then we will continue to get the sort of rubbish that is on offer at the moment.

just talking to one of my staff and said its like do you want a punch in the face or a kick up the backside. that's the choice or lack of it on offer.

Not sure how anyone can compare Dianne Abbot to Boris - he may come across as a joker but he is highly intelligent and always has the facts at his fingertips.

Interestingly the only campaign literature I have received is from the Conservatives. I've had nothing from any other party. It's a safe Tory seat, but that will never change if others don't bother to campaign

Campaigning requires man power though. We live in a very safe seat and I can only assume that no members of the other parties live in our village and that's why we've had no leaflets or canvassers as there are no active party members in the area. Resources aren't going to be actively diverted to safe seats when there are battles to be had in marginals.

Yeah I don't see Cameron and Osborne not having enough experience as a reason to vote for a labour team with a solid track record of being professional protestors.

They cannot build a consensus.

Yes, I'd choose Boris over Abbott - Boris does have obvious intelligence, much as he's got many unloveable qualities such as brexiteering.

I don't want my kids saddled with years and years more of debt when Labour fuck up the economy yet again by spending money they don't have. remember PFI that was Labour

Debt levels have spiralled since the world wide economic crisis and under the Tories significantly so. They've had 7 years, they've massively reduced spending yet debt is still up.

I also have children. And I don't want their education to be screwed. I don't want them to be saddled with debt if they go to university.

Theresa May openly shakes hands with Saudi leaders. She brushes off blatant sexism from the likes of the daily mail. She thinks grammar schools with solve inequality.

What a vision.

he may come across as a joker but he is highly intelligent and always has the facts at his fingertips

Er no. Just no.

They cannot build a consensus.

The Tories have built a consensus of misery.

Abbott used to be brilliant, insightful and funny on TV. (That's probably why Labour keep using her.) I agree with others who think she might be ill.

We are voting for policies and not people.

George Osborne was made chancellor of the exchequer because he was mates with the prime minister. He had absolutely no understanding of economics - hence his naive comparisons to a household budget. It's nothing of the sort

And, as I've pointed out many times before, civil servants run the country really. Politicians just meddle and fuck it all up.

As for consensus, the only consensus that the Tories (rather admirably) build is to win power.

What vision has theresa may presented for the country?

Abbott should not be "shit on TV". Of all the shadow cabinet she has had huge media exposure, all her political life has been played out on TV , she has been on Question time more times than I can shake a stick, she has cosied up on sofas with politicians and journalists , she has been the politician to wheel out for 30 years (woman tick,working class tick,black,tick) . Her very high profile interviews during this election have gone from gobsmacking to shambolic. The question is why.

Someone up thread suggested she is ill, if this is true and she has an illness which is affecting her ability to retain information , marshal arguments and put her point across in open debate then she needs to say so .She pulled out of the Brexit debate and vote, and now the woman's hour debate citing illness. If Labour were to win on Thursday then we cannot have a senior member of government who is liable to illness so severe that they cannot even walk through a voting lobby.

I know people have a right to a private life, and the right to discretion about their health, but she is a public servant and we have a right to have people working for us who are capable of fulfilling their role.

We are voting for policies and not people.

Policies only mean something if they can be executed. Or else it's just a list of good intentions.

What vision has theresa may presented for the country?

Ask that BHS guy on his mega-yacht. Or the Bankers and financiers who have seen their fortunes increase dramatically.

It is a vision of two nations.....the ruling rich and the rest.

I think Diane Abbott will be sacked on Friday. I'm going to vote Labour because Jeremy Corbyn has overturned all my preconceptions about him. Have gone from thinking he is a joke to be utterly inspired by him. I really do think there might be a different way of doing things.

I think the Conservatives will get in any way - and they will destroy the NHS and our schools, which are already on their knees. And the worst thing is that it's ordinary people who use their services who will be voting Conservative. So stupid! Even my police relatives (normally Tory) have decided to vote against the Conservatives because their service is also struggling.

I don't often watch This Week because I find her patronising but she talks A LOT on there! No long pauses that I remember! To say that she needs media training is simply not true, she is quite confident on the TV except at the moment when she is being confined to her brief. Whether that is because she doesn't know her brief or is ill (or a combination of both) is unknown - we are speculating. Either way, I won't be voting Labour!

I agree, there are questions to be asked about Diane abbots abilities in front of the tv camera.

But in my mind they do not drive my vote.

Theresa May has been equally as shocking. I also decided to actually watch her on PMQs instead of reading media summaries. Then I realised that she is actually piss poor in that arena.

However my vote isn't based on that. I look at her record and it doesn't really shine.

I don't believe Corbyn can achieve his vision for the money he's quoting and the min wage and corp tax policies will offer us unemployment and hours cuts.

What are the tories offering? Well st least they are getting seniors with significant assets to pay something for their care which will help affray costs of an aging population.

I'm voting for the least worse option, I don't agree with the Tory cuts but I don't think state expansion is desirable when we haven't future proofed NHS spending or pension affordability.

Actually the Labour party's manifesto is Keynesian economics - in other words, everyone needs to have a decent level of wealth for the economy to grow. A Central Investment Bank and some real economic plans for creating and keeping wealth in the country sound good to me.

The tories have not made a single plan, they will keep taxing, keep selling everything to foreign governments and foreign companies, keep helping tax evasion (such as Mrs May's husband does.. £1.7trillion offshore tax fund 'relationship manager'....)

The choice is simple.

Actually the Labour party's manifesto is Keynesian economics - in other words, everyone needs to have a decent level of wealth for the economy to grow. A Central Investment Bank and some real economic plans for creating and keeping wealth in the country sound good to me.

The tories have not made a single plan, they will keep taxing, keep selling everything to foreign governments and foreign companies, keep helping tax evasion (such as Mrs May's husband does.. £1.7trillion offshore tax fund 'relationship manager'....)

The choice is simple.

Keynes wouldn't have put up taxes if demand stimulation was the goal.

How does increasing business costs stimulate demand and investment? : corporation tax and minimum wage, land tax...

I'm planning several cutbacks of Corbyn gets in, I'm sure many others are too.

I don't remember the bit in the general theory where Keynes recommends hiking business costs to boost economic growth.

Abitofaproblem and how do you know they can't?! Clearly the ways of successive government are not working across the board with everything from terrorism to public services. Nothing will ever change unless we give something different a try.

The Labour manifesto on offer is based on a light left, Scandinavian model and if you look at which countries regularly top the global league tables for wealth, health, education and happiness I'd suggest it can work. Instead of more of the same adherence to the failed neoliberal economic authodoxy. In Scandinavia JC would be seen as a middle of the road centrist and successions of labour type governments appear to be doing them no harm.

Low interest rates have not stimulated investment. Monetarism has again failed.

Keynesian economics applies to this exact scenario. The state steps in to stimulate the economy in just this sort of instance.

The negative economic effects of austerity are actually yet another example of the weakness of right-wing economic policy.