To think people who would otherwise vote for corbyn may not because of Diane Abbott?

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Sorry if there's already a thread about her latest cringeworthy interview but I couldn't find one... here she was on sky new last night, clearly having failed to read the police report she was there to discuss:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/3731086/shadow-home-secretary-diane-abbott-car-crash-interview-sky-police-security-london-bridge-attacks-terror/amp/

I like corbyn and what he stands for, but I can't give him my vote with these buffoons around him!

I don't think I'd let her put me off. I've still not decided how I'm voting but I'm thinking more about policies than people.

Obviously she can't be given the sack half way through an election campaign but if labour were to win I very much doubt we'd see her in Corbyn's top team. I wouldn't be surprised if a number of ex front benches crawled out of the woodwork if JC was to be successful and not the car crash many wrote him off as.

CrossWord, people on this very thread have said they won't vote for Labour because of Abbott's performance on tv. You may not be going down that road, others, sadly, are

I don't understand your point. People make political decisions based on their values plus the evidence before them. The evidence from the interview is that DA is not a competent shadow hs and would not be a competent hs. Which, other than the fact that we need a competent hs, tells us a lot about the state of the Labour party, and indeed JC, that they think DA is suitable for the post.

Can I ask how we are meant to make decisions if not based on what we see going on in the real world? Should we just read the Guardian and vote how they tell us?

We can call counter terrorism something new and fluffy like unite :)

I also think that anybody who was apparently wavering and has now decided to vote Tory solely because of DA is just looking for an excuse to justify their decision, if they're truly honest with themselves.

Really? The MPs that resigned have experience of working with JC, I can't see it holding. Look what he did to Benn!

If you've got no bloody experience, as this labour team don't, how else can we measure competence except for media appearances?

Seriously, they have nothing else we can base our judgments on.

The Tories in power now hide behind trite chants of strong and stable.

The proof is on the ground:

• Failure on public safety
• Attacking the easy targets....the poor, elderly and disabled.
• Skyrocketing debt
• Strangled growth
• No plan at all for Brexit (including security)

I think my point, which is being deliberate ignored, is that so much weight is placed on a politician's ability to charm the media.

However an MP's job is to represent their constituencies. If they're in the cabinet, it is to run their portfolio well. If you place too much weight on that then you end up with the likes of tony Blair and David Cameron

cherry - have a look at things that they have written and said at meetings. the MP's who deserted JC will not go back if they get into power. they will try and overthrow him but they wont work with him.

either JC's a man of principle who sticks with his friends in which case DA is there to stay (see previous posts I made on this) or he is a ruthless politician and will dump her. In which case, stop saying he is a man of principles because he isn't. he is just any other politician who will say and do what he needs to do to get elected.

I cannot contemplate voting for a government that might include Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. I think Jeremy Corbyn has made a big mistake in not getting rid of her.

I just read your post and wanted to reach out directly with my thoughts. I hope you are well and sorry but I am pregnant, anxious, and possibly over reacting on a hormonal day but I need to talk about this...

I have to say, to me she looks obviously unwell and I wish she would be honest about it. That doesn't make her a liability, in my opinion, for these reasons:

1. All MPs take advice from numerous bodies, organisations, experts, and they have a team of people around them to make decisions.
2. There are a large pool of Labour representatives that could do her job very well. Those saying there aren't - I wonder what you are basing that on as it does not reflect reality as I see it.
3. Her role in the Shadow Cabinet can be easily replaced. I would be very happy with a number of other Labour MPs taking her place.

I came on here just today because I am pregnant, due in October with my first child, and I worry about a country who calls out Abbott consistently and does not ask compassionate questions, whilst men who bungle the figures and all the lying Tory women (May, Rudd, Brady, etc.) who simply won't answer a question are not mentioned.

This is Abbott's counterpart in the Conservative government. Watch what she does from about 0.32 seconds in. Why is this not in the news?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEcMW6RmC_w

I want my child to grow up in a country that does not fund and support terrorism, one that tries to make peace in the World and does not want nuclear warfare. The debates have shown a sinister side to Tory/UKIP supporters and the media are consistently disappointing.

What about the Tory MP who said woman's promiscuity plays a role in their being raped? What about the Tory MP who has been charged with the crime of election fraud? What about the Tory MP who said she was pleased that food banks exist and tried to have a disabled woman thrown out of her hustings?

Please consider what you read in the papers and who funds those papers. I do not want my child growing up in a World that believes Tory lies and will drag us into a censored state with no freedom of speech.

This election is important and will decide our future as a family in the UK. I'm not saying any country is any better overall, but at least we wouldn't have to watch the heartbreak.

mummymeister purits I genuinely believe it is about the policies, and that we are voting for the future of public services in this country, not a presidential style PM. I find it heartbreaking that anyone would consider voting for the Tory polices over Labour when they seem hellbent on attacking the vulnerable and reducing social mobility. Also, can I say that when you study a politics degree there are whole modules about how a PM is just a spokesperson and that a lot of the real policy work goes on behind the scenes, the PM can lead but can't get everything they want.

I take your point that I should have said Labour not JC but I guess I said JC because he's the one getting the flak and of the divide btw what he's fighting for and what the new labour Tory lite side would want. And I do think the best people for the job will be put in place and that we should also remember the clowns in the Tory party such as BJ - and I'm saying that as someone who used to work for him.

I agree that all those anti-Corbynite MPs who were so firmly against him will be hammering on the door of No. 10 on Friday saying, "I didn't mean it! I like you really! Is there a teeny tiny job for me?"

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"Really? The MPs that resigned have experience of working with JC, I can't see it holding. Look what he did to Benn!

If you've got no bloody experience, as this labour team don't, how else can we measure competence except for media appearances?

Seriously, they have nothing else we can base our judgments on."

I agree, but I think their level of competence was for all to see way before this election.

And not once have I defended Diane Abbott. I have no idea how good she would be as shadow Home Secretary and wouldn't judge her on how she does on tv.

I just know she's shit on tv.

Teresa May is clearly suffering from a stinking case of imposter syndrome. She delivers every speech in the manner of a nervous librarian. Never was case when she was Home Sec.

Maybe a thread highlighting THAT to even things up?

I agree Believe - we should all be voting for the MP we believe we will do the best job in our constituency, and that is what ultimately influences my choice of vote. Interestingly the only campaign literature I have received is from the Conservatives. I've had nothing from any other party. It's a safe Tory seat, but that will never change if others don't bother to campaign.

If you've got no bloody experience, as this labour team don't, how else can we measure competence except for media appearances?

David Cameron had no experience. Neither did George Osborne. Look where they got us. An Eu referendum and massive debt levels.

"I agree that all those anti-Corbynite MPs who were so firmly against him will be hammering on the door of No. 10 on Friday saying, "I didn't mean it! I like you really! Is there a teeny tiny job for me?"

Is that what we expected of Labour MPs? Is that supposed to be a reason for voting Labour?

Abbot never used to be shit on tv though. She really didn't.

Anyone trying to excuse her on the basis that the poor love was on telly and that would be enough to make anyone nervous - did you never watch her on This Week? She was articulate and able to hold her corner. It's not like being on the telly is a new thing for her. In more than one interview it's like she has no idea why they are asking her about this stuff. She knows exactly what she is going on the telly to discuss - the fact that it seems to be coming as a complete surprise to her that she's being asked about it is absolutely rubbish. And it speaks volumes about Corbyn's so-called leadership that she is still allowed onto the telly to do it. It's verging on cruel! Either Corbyn is oblivious to the fact that one of his staff is struggling or he's plugging on with it because he's a stubborn old git and has no-one else. Neither is a comforting scenario.

I know two people who aren't due to her, but otherwise would.

The problem with the current Tory government is that they are bent towards a failed divisive ideology.

The rich....the bankers and financiers, and the rest of us.

Really? The MPs that resigned have experience of working with JC, I can't see it holding. Look what he did to Benn!

Many more resigned before even working with him though as they didn't want their careers tainted by being associated with an unsuccessful leader. Up until 4 weeks ago they were probably still glad of their decision - and come Friday they may still be - but that wouldn't stop them having a swift change of heart if he manages to win.

I will be voting Labour but Diane Abbott will lose them a lot of votes sadly. I said on the other thread, I don't know why Corbyn hasn't given Barry Gardiner one of the 'big' jobs instead of international trade. He is great, knows his stuff, takes people to task and is getting lots of praise for his performance in this campaign. Seems a shame to waste his talents given some of the godawful people in key roles.

Interestingly the only campaign literature I have received is from the Conservatives. I've had nothing from any other party. It's a safe Tory seat, but that will never change if others don't bother to campaign

I also live in a safe Tory seat. I've seen labour activists including their candidate regularly. From the Tories, just a leaflet from Theresa May