To think people who would otherwise vote for corbyn may not because of Diane Abbott?

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Sorry if there's already a thread about her latest cringeworthy interview but I couldn't find one... here she was on sky new last night, clearly having failed to read the police report she was there to discuss:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/3731086/shadow-home-secretary-diane-abbott-car-crash-interview-sky-police-security-london-bridge-attacks-terror/amp/

I like corbyn and what he stands for, but I can't give him my vote with these buffoons around him!

Amber Rudd:

"A multi-millionairess like all the Tory elite, Amber Rudd truly is every bit as horrible as the persona she exhibited on the BBC Leaders’ Debate this evening. A former banker with J P Morgan, she was also a director of two offshore tax avoidance asset management firms in the Bahamas. She never declared this and the information came out in a leak.

The refined journalists of the Financial Times are of course much more her choice for public engagement than having to stoop to discuss policy in front of the great unwashed, for whom she has a profound contempt. This is what she thinks of her constituents in Hastings:

“You get people who are on benefits, who prefer to be on benefits by the seaside. They’re not moving down here to get a job, they’re moving down here to have easier access to friends and drugs and drink.”
So why did she go to Hastings to represent such awful plebs? She explained that to her friends at the Financial Times as well:

“I wanted to be within two hours of London and I could see we were going to win it.”"

www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/ambder-rudd-really-horrible/

I'm sorry makeourfortune but the Tories "running up historic levels of debt" although true, is exactly what labour will continue to do.

Their manifesto is costed but only to balance income vs. expenditure. (Let's ignore any additional borrowing for capital investment).

My point is that the debt will continue to rise at the very, very least at the same level as currently with a Labour government.

What's the end game to this while we carry on merrily spending way more than we have? Corbyn's let's tax the rich some more is fine for many people but all it does is allow him in theory to pay for his manifesto promises, all the while the deficit remains pushing the debt up, up and up.

make

As you are still spouting about Debt, i presume you are aware that Labours manifesto will not only push up the debt but also the deficit, you was spouting about Keynesian economics the other week and you still seem to not understand how the 2 are interlinked and don't quite follow the preferred economic model you championed.

Make. How much will it cost? And where will that money come from?

How much will it cost to renationalise all those industries you think? Wasn't costed.

whatever it costs will quickly be recouped when they start banking the profits that are finally going into the publics purse and not to a bunch of rich shareholders.

As you are still spouting about Debt

Debt is not my bête noire, but the Tory's. They have made debt "bad" (it is very useful at times).

They have, however, failed at their own success criteria.

How much will it cost to renationalise all those industries you think?

And how much money do we hand over to the railway operating companies in addition to our train fares... a huge huge amount.

Also we are already paying for subsidies for green energy, coal power stations and soon nuclear power through "invisible levies", which hit us via our energy bill. The government forces energy suppliers to pay and they recoup the costs from us.

The labour manifesto is hardly socialist. It's centre left.

Weird how a thread about Abbott is being hijacked to talk about Rudd. Funny how that happens eh 🙄

That bastion of ethics and integrity who is Diane Abbott
not short of a few bob either as being wealthy counts against you apparently
. At least Rudd isn't a racist.

Make please outline Labour's plan for growth given the tax rises and cost increases businesses (and therefore all of us, the consumers,) will have to pay? Please outline how Labour will be pro business and how they will support industry and services businesses post Brexit.

I'm sorry makeourfortune but the Tories "running up historic levels of debt" although true, is exactly what labour will continue to do

And why is it ok for the Tories to do this?

They don't actually have a credible plan to grow the economy based on sound economics. None at all.

They've held down wages of low paid workers such as nurses. Housing costs continue to spiral which reduces spending power.

If people cannot spend, the economy will not grow.

Trickle down economics does not work. When the rick get richer, the rest of us do not.

The labour manifesto is hardly socialist. It's centre left.

Agreed, but aren't you at all worried that it's only going to push the debt higher and higher? If not, I'm genuinely curious as to why?

Also we are already paying for subsidies for green energy

"A 2016 study estimated that global fossil fuel subsidies were $5.3 trillion in 2015, which represents 6.5% of global GDP."

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X16304867

And my god you actually believe that make

Anyway Corbyn should sack Dianne today as any proper leader would. But he won't of course

A lot of people would also vote for cons if it weren't for Teresa 'I'm very clear' may, Boris and Davis.
Many people have lost faith in them completely.
It's a grim choice.

Any economist worth his salt will know that robust growth increases tax revenues tremendously.

The Tories are not interested in growth. Their lot are doing very well thank you.

Agreed, but aren't you at all worried that it's only going to push the debt higher and higher? If not, I'm genuinely curious as to why?

If we follow the Tory path of austerity, the economy will not grow. And we will not be able to pay off our debt.

If we try and invest, then the economy has more chance of recovering and overall we can then reduce our debt levels.

You only copied part of my sentence make re subsidies.

You only copied part of my sentence make re subsidies.

Ooops friendly fire!

You are making some very sound economic points.

walking - I was about to make the same point, that DA has oodles of media experience. I know a lot of people will disagree, but I used to like her and Portillo on the sofa and thought she came across really well back then.

I've just seen that today she has pulled out of an interview because she is sick. I genuinely hope that she gets better soon, and her odd recent performances are solely due to something like a medication reaction rather than a serious illness that is causing slurred speech and general brain fuzziness.

Where is the economic growth coming from? I see nothing to stimulate private sector growth in the labour manifesto. Tax revenues won't rise because labour says economic growth will be achieved - the SNP haven't managed an economic growth miracle in Scotland despite a lot of blathering about its importance.

Believe

There is really no choice but to do it and any party coming into power now would have to make at least the same borrowings. Labour will borrow even more (with the aim of economic stimulus) tax more and introduce new taxes.

However "If people cannot spend, the economy will not grow" works just as well for the above scenario too as people will be taxed more. And before you say it, taxing millionaires and corporations will in no way raise enough to make a dent in the structural deficit. We'll all have to pay more.

There's no magic pill and neither way has been proven to work.

taxing millionaires and corporations will in no way raise enough to make a dent in the structural deficit. We'll all have to pay more.

They can certainly contribute. They derive a benefit (quite a nice one it seems) from our society.

We all contribute.

Make you certainly gave a lot of time to MN. Look at IFS analysis to see how much the top 1% pay in total tax take now and how much the corporation tax take has risen since the rate was cut.

Or is the IFS another independent group momentum doesn't approve of?

I have had a flick through this thread.

Make - I think you need a bit of a lie down! You are sounding like you are in some sort of cult and making silly statements saying robust growth brings in revenue. Where will this growth come from?

I remember the 70's, the union power, and if we go back to that and the new sense of entitlement that some people now have with their hands out for the latest hand out god help us.

It would help me massively financially to vote Labour having two teenagers who are going to university. No uni fees is very very tempting! I am a pensioner in a few years, I would love to keep the heating allowance when my time comes but its not affordable.

I would like a strong opposition. JC needs to come out NOW and make a statement about DA. She can hardly string two words together and he will lose the gain he has had in the last couple of weeks.

With the terror attacks and no statement about a potential Home Secretary's ability to even grasp what is going on we are going to be in real trouble.

If not DA who though would be put in her place?