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To think people who would otherwise vote for corbyn may not because of Diane Abbott?

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chunkychicken1 · 06/06/2017 07:07

Sorry if there's already a thread about her latest cringeworthy interview but I couldn't find one... here she was on sky new last night, clearly having failed to read the police report she was there to discuss:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/3731086/shadow-home-secretary-diane-abbott-car-crash-interview-sky-police-security-london-bridge-attacks-terror/amp/

I like corbyn and what he stands for, but I can't give him my vote with these buffoons around him!

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Dapplegrey2 · 06/06/2017 11:18

Maybe she has got an under active thyroid. That would explain memory lapses.
Before mine was diagnosed I forget everything and I also suffered from migraines which iirc DA has also had.

bruffian · 06/06/2017 11:20

Why do people keep saying this? Of course a vote for your local Labour candidate is a vote for Corbyn and Abbot.

My lib dem vote will be for the local candidate, but indirectly for Tim Farron. He's not great, but at least he's quite chirpy and has a good sense of humour!

I don't hear anyone saying a vote for the local conservative candidate is NOT a vote for TM!

Summerisdone · 06/06/2017 11:25

She's the main reason I'm so undecided, she just seems so incompetent

amyshepherd · 06/06/2017 11:26

It has been turned into a presidential style debate on one hand (TM plastering her name over every campaign, 'personality politics' etc.)

But on the other hand she wouldn't engage in proper debate like what occurs in most civilised nations these days. In my opinion, the French had the best leaders debate - across a table with no audience and both speakers on timers so they can't interrupt. Would make a hell of a difference.

Ravenblack · 06/06/2017 11:27

DA is a liability and I can't stand her, but even without her I would not vote for Corbyn.

Two4One2017 · 06/06/2017 11:27

Why do people think DA is ill? Because she's put on weight and is dopey and had a migraine because she didn't want to vote for A50? She's not prepared, she's not on top of her brief, she's incompetent.

She seemed perfectly happy to sit around doing media on Daily Politics and This Week before she was asked to be Shadow Home Sec - it seems her "deterioration" has coincided with that appointment.

The woman is a disgrace. Is she really the best JC has got....it seems Emily Thornberry is doubling up at the moment - Shadow Foreign Sec and Home Sec - Friday is the day of reckoning.

sleeponeday · 06/06/2017 11:28

A spineless pussy who's only just been persuaded that shoot to kill is a good idea is not the man for the job.

Um, no. That was held by the BBC Trust as a misrepresentation. Two questions were asked, then the cut made for a different answer. He actually said that he thought shoot to kill should be less the priority than investing in intelligence and policing and avoiding radicalisation, so things never reached that point. Which is the police position, too.

and also a terrorist according to some

Really? Would that be why the Times published an apology in 1987 for claiming he'd been sympathetic to the IRA, acknowledging that he had on the contrary reported a suspected PIRA member to the police? He met with loyalists as well as republican politicians throughout - just as the government did. How do people imagine the peace process happened? Fairies? Telepathy? All this codswallop about the IRA - you do know Ian Paisley spoke well of Corbyn, right?

There's a reason the London School of Economics did a study which found Corbyn was misrepresented, and sometimes actively lied about, in the media 75% of the time. Dimbleby, talking to the Radio Times recently, commented that it was rather disturbing to see how unfairly a democratic leader is treated. I'm not even voting for him, but it's still scary. He's head of one of the two main parties. It would be every scrap as disturbing, were these lies told about May - without information, how can people make a true choice?

Abbott is an absolute idiot. Indefensible and even if I wanted to, which I don't, I wouldn't bother pretending otherwise. But Boris Johnson is as well, and he's the bloody Foreign Secretary. We have the most senior diplomat in this country literally pushing and shoving an opponent on national television.

And anyone who thinks May has a handle on terrorism needs to ask themselves why she's suppressing a report on Saudi funding of extremism in this country, while wittering on about Twitter and Facebook being a problem (as if a UK leader could ever control the internet, anyway). While engaging their brains they may want to ask why she's saying "enough is enough" as though her previous 7 years as Home Secretary and Prime Minister somehow led her to believe that terrorism was okay and manageable before. And then they can ask why it is that she was warned in 2015 by a Manchester policeman that her cuts meant they had no clue what was happening on the ground, that this was a threat to national security and would end in a terrorist attack, and her response was that this crying wolf and scaremongering had to end. Oh, and police say she is actively lying about armed police levels. Video.

As to the bullshit about the global financial crisis being down to Labour (they really were not that powerful) and the Tories being better economically (prior to the crisis, borrowing was at its lowest level in decades - and right now the national debt is higher than it has ever been) that's just wrong. Provably and demonstrably wrong.

amyshepherd · 06/06/2017 11:28

Best questions asked on this thread so far from deeedeee

Why people still believe Labour are economically incompetent when their costed manifesto has been endorsed by 129 leading economists and Stephen Hawkings and Noam Chomsky?

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2017 11:31

Jeremy Hunt is a disgrace, is he really the best TM has got?

Boris Johnson is a disgrace, is he really the best TM has got?

And now rumours that Gove will be making a cabinet comeback. Remember his leadership bid? How desperate must TM be?

DA is poor, but TM's cabinet is hardly awash with talent either.

mummymeister · 06/06/2017 11:32

Are these the same economists who told us that post brexit it would be Armageddon? that the economy would be in freefall. are these the same economists that couldn't see the credit crash coming when an ordinary twat like me with no economics degree could see lending 120% of the value of a property was never going to work out well?

lies, damned lies and statistics and we ought to add in and experts to then end of this.

I read around and then I make up my own mind. I don't need Stephen Hawking to do it for me.

explodingkittens · 06/06/2017 11:33

We're not post-brexit yet.

Two4One2017 · 06/06/2017 11:33

Twitter reporting DA was at Oxford Circus tube just before Women's Hour....round the corner from the BBC, 20mins before gong on air.

Not ill by the looks of it.

order-order.com/2017/06/06/diane-pulls-womans-hour/

bruffian · 06/06/2017 11:34

I'd like to see Noam Chomsky and Steven Hawking run my small manufacturing business successfully.

I agree with mummymeister

And is Steven Hawking even an economist?!

bruffian · 06/06/2017 11:35

Why people still believe Labour are economically incompetent when their costed manifesto has been endorsed by 129 leading economists and Stephen Hawkings and Noam Chomsky?

Because it is clearly, practically, bollocks.

If the 'leading economists' can't see it then they are clearly idiots or being paid by Labour

mummymeister · 06/06/2017 11:38

I'd like to see any politician run a small business bruffian. They haven't got a clue what its like. neither in fairness has anyone who has a regular salary - same amount every month regardless of performance or external factors.

JC has never had a proper job, just like most of them. they are career politicians.

Steven Hawkings isn't an economist.

diane didn't pull womens hour. the labourites on threads like this sent copies into HQ with all of our comments and they pulled her.

makeourfuture · 06/06/2017 11:38

He actually said that he thought shoot to kill should be less the priority than investing in intelligence and policing and avoiding radicalisation

Exactly.

Again how do you shoot a guy who just set off a bomb vest? There is nothing left to shoot.

mummymeister · 06/06/2017 11:38

there is no such thing as a free lunch. perhaps all manifestos need to have that on the front.

explodingkittens · 06/06/2017 11:39

Agreed, noblegiraffe.

The idea that May, Gove, Hunt, Truss, Johnson, Davis, and that vile Karen Bradley are some kind of dream team is just...mind-blowing.

Fwiw, there are plenty of Labour politicians I find pretty nauseating (stand up Jess Phillips) but I believe that their policies are the best for the country.

mummymeister · 06/06/2017 11:40

doh makeourfuture - you shoot him before he detonates it. yes, can you see the logic in that.

here, give me a minute, i'll go down to my barn and find some more straws for you to clutch at.

explodingkittens · 06/06/2017 11:41

Lol mummymeister, paranoid much?!

mummymeister · 06/06/2017 11:41

talk about derailing the thread. Labour HQ will be so pleased with you you might even get a bonus.

the thread is about Diane.

makeourfuture · 06/06/2017 11:43

there is no such thing as a free lunch. perhaps all manifestos need to have that on the front.

Bankers got a free lunch.

Free lunch, Free breakfast, Free Dinner. Got to keep the silverware too.

You just mean for poor and sick people don't you?

Vango · 06/06/2017 11:43

He actually said that he thought shoot to kill should be less the priority than investing in intelligence and policing and avoiding radicalisation

The hope is that if you do the latter properly you wont have to deal with so much of the former make.

mummymeister · 06/06/2017 11:44

nope explodingkittens not paranoid just a realist who has been around politicians an awfully long time and is so old now that all the new ideas are ones that I have seen time and again.

watch homeland. see the power of the internet to derail politics. its such a good and well respected series because its so true to life.

I don't for one minute doubt that an awful lot of posters on here at the moment are either working for labour or conservative. poor old lib dems don't have the money to do it.

makeourfuture · 06/06/2017 11:46

You do realise the people you argue so hard for wouldn't invite you to wash their laundry.

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