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To not understand how you can vote Tory after watching this

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Kimonolady · 02/06/2017 20:03

Not trying to be goady. Not trying to start a fight.
This video truly shocked me to the core and I actually found it hard to finish.
If you're planning on voting Conservative - has this video given you pause for thought? Is there a way you can explain your choice in light of it? Genuinely curious.
Video is at the top of the page (article worth reading too.)
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/30/disabled-readers-austerity-disability-cuts

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Bejazzled · 02/06/2017 20:06
Hmm
ArseofInfinity · 02/06/2017 20:06

People will watch it and still vote conservative.

Because some people, as much as they'd like to pretend to themselves that they give a shit, really don't.

Ravenblack · 02/06/2017 20:08

"I'm spinning around, get outta mah way......."

Kimonolady · 02/06/2017 20:08

Sorry, a clickable link is better.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/30/disabled-readers-austerity-disability-cuts

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Kimonolady · 02/06/2017 20:09

Why the Hmm bejazzled?

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Killdora · 02/06/2017 20:11

I'm going to hazard a guess that most Tory voters won't watch it, but will pretend they have and that it still didn't change their minds.

That's what I'd have done when I was a Tory voter.

metspengler · 02/06/2017 20:12

Some people vote Tory because they give a shit. Quite often in life people will hold opposite positions whilst still being decent, ethically grounded human beings.

That''s because adult life is not a simple nursery rhyme universe with good guys on this side and bad guys on the other, no complexity and no outliers.

I don't think people who think the "other side" are all the spawn of satan can actually be that bright or perhaps they don't get much adult conversation.

purits · 02/06/2017 20:15

Not trying to be goady. Not trying to start a fight. That's worth a Hmm
It's a link to the Grauniad so that won't be biased will it? Hmmagain.

good post metspengler

Valentine2 · 02/06/2017 20:16

Thanks for sharing that. I think so far, a huge number of people simply just haven't come across anything like this in their whole life. So the more we share, the better it will help everyone to see what's happening.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 02/06/2017 20:17

Not trying to be goady. Not trying to start a fight.

Yeah right.

It's called democracy. People are allowed to use yheir vote in any which way legally that they wish.

Killdora · 02/06/2017 20:18

I dont think people that can watch what happening to the vulnerable in society right now, what is being done to them because of one partys ideology, and still think it's a 'grey area', swings and round abouts, give a shit at all.

soapboxqueen · 02/06/2017 20:20

Yes people are allowed to vote for who they wish. Just as people are allowed to challenge them on it if they share that information.

purits · 02/06/2017 20:22

Let me think, why did we start austerity in the first place? Oh yes: because, as Liam Byrne said, "there's no money left after Labour have messed up the economy AGAIN "

Kimonolady · 02/06/2017 20:22

Sorry you don't believe me when I said I wasn't trying to be goady, Piglet, Purits and Mets.
It is a genuine question though.
I just wanted to know what Conservative voters think when they see something like this. I'm suggesting at all that they're the "spawn of Saran." I'm wondering if they doubt it's veracity. Or think it's accurate, but things wouldn't be better under a different party. Or that it's not an ideal situation, but these are difficult economic times and there simply isn't enough to go round. Those are the only responses I can imagine, and wanted to know if that was right.

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Fontella · 02/06/2017 20:23

Not trying to be goady. Not trying to start a fight.

No, of course you're not.

[hmm

I can't get my head around why anyone in their right mind would vote Labour, or SNP or Lib Dem ... but then, I accept that everyone has free will and one vote, and it is their fucking business, and none of mine, how they decide to exercise it and who they decide to vote for.

Kimonolady · 02/06/2017 20:23

Sorry, NOT suggesting at all!
Haha sorry. Freudian slip?!

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Kimonolady · 02/06/2017 20:25

Fontella and Piglet please show me where I've said or suggested that people shouldn't vote as they wish?
I'm merely asking how people feel that choice squares with the problems shown in the video. If people feel they can square those two things, great. I'm interested in how.

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StarUtopia · 02/06/2017 20:25

I don't understand how anyone can vote Labour shrugs

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Corbyn's vision of socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Corbyn's ideological plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…(substituting grades for £ 's, something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.
There are five morals to this story:

  1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
  2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
  3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
  4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
  5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Wake up - small businesses are going to go bust, those workers won't be getting a £10 min wage, they'll be at the job centre - so tell me, how is that going to increase the economy? SMH.

metspengler · 02/06/2017 20:26

Imagine swallowing a narrative where millions of your compatriots are happy to hurt disabled people because they don't give a shit, and it's only heroes like you who care.

What a depressingly stupid thing to believe.

soapboxqueen · 02/06/2017 20:26

purits the state of the economy is irrelevant. These are ideological choices. It would be no different if money really did grow on trees. They'd be out with hammer and nails fencing them off from the public.

ffauxlivia · 02/06/2017 20:26

So I agree with you and just posted it in another thread. The answers did give me food for thought. Eg they mentioned Guardian bias and the use of anecdotal evidence - you could hand pick tragic stories from under any government I suppose. And people believing that tough welfare decisions need to be made to improve the system for the benefit of everyone.

I don't agree, but I am trying to understand as I don't want to assume every Tory voter is heartless. Of course they can't be so we need to try and listen.

Kimonolady · 02/06/2017 20:27

Purits you've suggested the video is biased because it's from the Guardian. I wasn't quite clear what you meant by that - do you mean that you think it's not real? Or has been exaggerated?

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purits · 02/06/2017 20:28

I just wanted to know what Conservative voters think when they see something like this.

I haven't watched it (you put me off). But I know that journalists can twist anything. Weren't they trying to peddle the idea that nurses were surviving off food banks? - it turns out they found one nurse who was only working part-time, hence skint.

chocolatemixedwithdogfood · 02/06/2017 20:29

That is absolutely awful, I have already voted by post and did not vote Tory but had not realised how awful their cuts have been. That poor woman, forced to crawl around her flat.

Killdora · 02/06/2017 20:30

Told you they wouldn't watch it Grin

No one wants to face their own ignorance.

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