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To not understand how you can vote Tory after watching this

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Kimonolady · 02/06/2017 20:03

Not trying to be goady. Not trying to start a fight.
This video truly shocked me to the core and I actually found it hard to finish.
If you're planning on voting Conservative - has this video given you pause for thought? Is there a way you can explain your choice in light of it? Genuinely curious.
Video is at the top of the page (article worth reading too.)
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/30/disabled-readers-austerity-disability-cuts

OP posts:
Carolinesbeanies · 03/06/2017 15:21

"Others will still be trying to get a realistic idea of the number of people who fit in either category rather than those portrayed in media propaganda. Those are the ones who don't care much about either party but just wish either would stop treating them like fools." This.

Also ties in with my answer to this,

"Caroline whats your opinion on the social care policy."

Do you mean the state funded social care policy Helena? Im not entirely sure how many people state funded social care applies to. I know you can be dying with cancer, in excruciating pain, self medicating on liquid and tablet morphine, taking a bucket of medications for the numb hands and feet you have, the failing gastric system, the failing kidneys, liver etc etc etc, have multiple and recurrent hospitalisations following falls and drug interaction issues, and if you own your own home, you wont get state funded social care to help you. Its not a needs based system, its a means tested one.

The objections and emotive language then seems to come from those, falling under the means testing criteria, (i,e, are eligible) who are then being assessed on need. As pp's have highlighted, everyones individual situation is as upsetting to them as the next mans, hence I assume, why no rush to house swap with Alex.

HelenaDove · 03/06/2017 16:09

My parents own their own home. I am in a one bedroom social housing flat.

My parents are in their 80s. If their home has to be sold to pay for care i stay in my flat.

If it doesnt get sold DH and i could move back there freeing up this flat.

So which do you think is better. DH is 67 and retired by the way.

HelenaDove · 03/06/2017 16:19

DH had his first assessment for DLA in 1995. It was at home. DH was made to lay on the bed while the assesser dumped his case on my dressing table sending a bottle of perfume onto the floor...........managed to get KY Jelly all over the dressing table and even up the mirror and then proceeded to give DH an anal exam. For arthritis!
Ive since found out this should not have happened and the assessors arent suppossed to actually touch the person let alone do something like this.

He didnt qualify for DLA that time he did after his massive heart attack in 2006 which has left him with permanent breathing problems. He has ischemic heart disease and COPD. But it took two and a half years post heart attack to get what he was entitled to.

Now he faces the possibility of losing it again He had his DLA/PIP assessment this week.

takesnoprisoners · 03/06/2017 16:25

Goady as fuck. So yes, I care fuck all about what Guardian wants to "educate" me about.

milliemolliemou · 03/06/2017 16:52

Not yet committed voter here.

Not convinced by the video of the woman who had to crawl over the floor. She'd lost half her body weight and couldn't afford to buy the 5 drugs she needed (though it's not clear that was temporary?) She can get out with extreme difficulty and the taxi firm funded her chair, would her doctor not have put her in as a prime case and reinstituted the drugs? or advised her she can get them on repeat at £10pcm, delivered to the door of her flat? Was there no one near her to contact social services or MPs? Is Islington such rubbish with two senior Labour MPs that someone's not doing anything about it?

But I totally agree PIP is totally ludicrous in the way it's administered. I'd vote for anyone who could change that.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 17:58

Is Islington such rubbish with two senior Labour MPs that someone's not doing anything about it?

Including the leader of the Labour Party.

FuzzyPillow · 03/06/2017 18:29

Some people vote Tory because they give a shit. Quite often in life people will hold opposite positions whilst still being decent, ethically grounded human beings. That''s because adult life is not a simple nursery rhyme universe with good guys on this side and bad guys on the other, no complexity and no outliers.

^This.

milliemolliemou · 03/06/2017 20:36

Sorry still reading article and watching video. So apologize to Islington services since a ground floor flat should be ready in 3 months which will help Alex - though clearly that is still three months of pain. Clearly she now has the wheelchair as well thanks to cabbies. Elli has my sympathy as does Stephen - surely there should be some support at least from his firm so he can keep his job which clearly is valuable at £30000 pa which sounds a lot unless you live in the south-east.

welshwitch34 · 06/06/2017 21:07

This is brilliant. Would you mind me reposting it on my Facebook page? WW

welshwitch34 · 06/06/2017 21:13

This is brilliant. Would you mind if I copy to share on my Facebook page?

user1495025590 · 06/06/2017 22:16

Why do people think the tories are good with the economy? A
fter years of squeezing the poor and middle, the super-rich have never had it so good and the country is in more debt than ever before.

I cannot reconcile 'decent and grounded' with a person who votes for a party whose whole raison d'etre is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
StarUtopia 's analogy is absolute shite.She thinks the rich are rich because they put in more work than the poor!

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