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Disgusted with Theresa

420 replies

jdoe8 · 31/05/2017 07:13

For body shaming JC, that is just beyond vile and nasty. Glad it's looking like they will not win.

She is over.

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AwaywiththePixies27 · 31/05/2017 15:21

i think what's disappointing is the level of personal attacks on Theresa May on this website. She's a woman who's made it to the top in a male-dominated environment and, regardless of your views on her politics, surely that should be admired? Don't we want our daughters to grow up thinking that they can do any job they want if they have the determination?

She's not a delicate wall flower just because she's a woman, she's in politics, and just like you expect Jeremy Corbyn ti do. She should suck it up. She's happy enough to dish them out.

Not that either should be appropriate, they're all adults who should be capable of having a debate but then that's clearly evident from PMQs that virtually none of them are capable of doing so.

DinnerIsServed · 31/05/2017 15:21

I'm not saying that she shouldn't be criticised because she's a woman, I'm saying that she's being personally attacked (which is wrong regardless of sex) & that it's disappointing that it's women doing the attacking. I could understand more if it was men doing the attacking because they felt she was encroaching on their (male-dominated) territory (I'd still think it was appalling) but to make such personal attacks on another woman....
Criticise her policies & her personal views in so far as they relate to politics, fine, but not her as an individual just for the sake of it.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 31/05/2017 15:21

*to do.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 31/05/2017 15:25

Criticising someone for their policies and u-turning on them is not a personal attack.

DinnerIsServed · 31/05/2017 15:30

Criticising someone for their policies and u-turning on them is not a personal attack.
No, and I didn't say it was. In fact, I actually said Criticise her policies & her personal views in so far as they relate to politics, fine, but not her as an individual just for the sake of it. Hmm

M1nesasweetsh3rry · 31/05/2017 15:33

Away apologies for replying you back in the thread( just seen it now)
I realise you were quoting somebody else.glad we're on the same sideSmile

Orlantina · 31/05/2017 15:33

but not her as an individual just for the sake of it

You can attack the personality behind the policies. When she comes out and makes comments, you can attack those comments.

Appearance, clothes, looks are off limits. But the personality is not off limits.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 31/05/2017 15:52

No apology needed M1neisasweetsh3rry. Brew .

AwaywiththePixies27 · 31/05/2017 15:56

Yes I know Dinner. I have read.

But as Orlantina so rightly said here:

Appearance, clothes, looks are off limits. But the personality is not off limits.

If you're attacking someone because of their clothing, I.e Cameron telling him to put on a proper suit and tie, that makes you (generic use of the word) a nasty individual so of course a personality can be commented upon / critiqued.

Same with TM. She could have stopped at the reference. She didn't. She had to get a few laughs out of it. So yes people are entitled to call her an unpleasant individual if they wish to for that.

DinnerIsServed · 31/05/2017 16:05

I think personality should be off-limits to an extent. She's had a lot of criticism for her religious beliefs & the fact that she's a vicar's daughter. No-one goes on about JC's religious beliefs (if he has any, I've no idea) but because TM goes to church each Sunday she's seen as fair game (possibly because it's apparently as unacceptable to be a Christian as it is a Conservative) so there's a lot of "how can she call herself a Christian when she does ....". And she's possibly not that confident talking to the general public (she's fine on a more personal level in her constituency - a friend of mine has met her more than once in local things where she lives & says she comes across really well, friendly & natural) but why slate her for that? Being PM isn't about public campaigning, it's about dealing with political matters & running the country. She comes across as comfortable there (in my opinion) and that's where it counts. If someone wants to say that they think she doesn't cope well with world leaders then that's relevant, but criticising her for not enjoying something that she has to do once every 5 years is, to me, wrong. Would you judge the CEO of a plc on how well he interacted with staff at a Christmas party or on how he ran the company? Hopefully the latter. The same should apply here.

Orlantina · 31/05/2017 16:08

She's had a lot of criticism for her religious beliefs & the fact that she's a vicar's daughter

If someone claims to be religious and then does something that is against Christian values, then that says a lot about them?

Cameron also claimed to be a Christian. You could have fooled me.

because it's apparently as unacceptable to be a Christian as it is a Conservative

Being a Christian is fine. Being a Christian who acts in a very unChristian way seems wrong.

DinnerIsServed · 31/05/2017 16:15

Well I'm happy to disagree. I'll be glad when the election is over and AIBU can return to normal.

Orlantina · 31/05/2017 16:19

AIBU can return to normal

We've got Brexit next.......

AwaywiththePixies27 · 31/05/2017 16:20

She's had a lot of criticism for her religious beliefs & the fact that she's a vicar's daughter.

She was criticised for voting against same sex marriage. Rightly so too. Church and Politics shouldn't mix.

DinnerIsServed · 31/05/2017 16:20

That'll take a couple of years - I may have recovered by then....

bigmack · 31/05/2017 16:35

Compare TM's passive Donald Trump hand-holding with Macron's handshake.

Which would be 'strong and stable?'
He refused to shake AM's hand and she still came away looking stronger than TM.

AllMyBestFriendsAreMetalheads · 31/05/2017 16:38

What is 'normal' for AIBU? It's pretty bad at the best of times.

I can throw around some insults and tell you all that you are terrible people if it will make people feel more comfortable Grin

In fact, there's plenty of AIBU cliches going on in the campaigning. Why respond to people's actual words when you can just take one tiny word and turn it into a massive attack, flouncing and avoiding debate because you don't like the way your thread is going etc. etc. We're just missing a diagram.

SarfEast1cated · 31/05/2017 16:40

Can I just say that I love Angela Merkel.
I know it's off topique, but I'm feeling daring.

bigmack · 31/05/2017 16:41

'She's had a lot of criticism for her religious beliefs & the fact that she's a vicar's daughter.'

She uses the fact that she is a vicar's daughter to strengthen her point when she wants to though, for example when she commented on the National Trust Cadbury's Easter egg hunt.

MaybeNextWeek · 31/05/2017 17:11

'May is certainly no role model for my DD and her friends. They all despise her!'

'Despise her' Confused. Isnt that a bit ott? can't they just not agree with her decisions? Why are some people be so full of vitriol.

Anyway lets get the election out of the way, JC will hopefully resign then they can elect someone who will convince their supporters they've got what it takes for next time.

BertrandRussell · 31/05/2017 17:15

Has she had a lot of criticism for her religious beliefs? Where?

histinyhandsarefrozen · 31/05/2017 17:19

Tim Farron HAS had a lot of criticism for his religious beliefs despite his personal beliefs not affecting his voting record on gay and abortion rights.

I haven't seen any criticism of T.M's religious beliefs. And personality is not off-limits at all. Why would it be?

nina2b · 31/05/2017 17:38

She is totally in the wrong job if she cannot press the flesh and talk to "ordinary" people "up and down the country". She is delusional if she thinks - as she claims - that she is doing so. What she is doing, in fact, is talking to specially selected audiences of Tory activists - and even then from a pre-prepared script.

Frankly, she has zero charisma and apparently a zero amount of genuine confidence. The least we can expect is that our Prime Minster has confidence.

She called this election, despite having previously said there would not be one. The least she can do, therefore, is participate in in properly.

nina2b · 31/05/2017 17:39

...in it properly.

DinnerIsServed · 31/05/2017 18:02

The least she can do, therefore, is participate in in properly.
Well she's done 3 tv interviews that I know of, and been round the country talking to voters. How is that not participating properly? Oh, and she's been in Labour zones as well as Tory ones. Not sure that Corbyn has ventured into Tory ones... She has confidence where it counts.
As for the zero charisma - that's the sort of personal insult I was referring to earlier.