Disgusted with Theresa

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For body shaming JC, that is just beyond vile and nasty. Glad it's looking like they will not win.

She is over.

Nice Nina 👏

Anyhow, how can May make snide remarks about anyone naked. The idea of HER naked is appalling.

Well that says more about you tbh.

There does seem to be a lot of point missing on this thread!

I think what's disappointing is the level of personal attacks on Theresa May on this website. She's a woman who's made it to the top in a male-dominated environment and, regardless of your views on her politics, surely that should be admired? Don't we want our daughters to grow up thinking that they can do any job they want if they have the determination? So, maybe she isn't that comfortable having to do the public schmoozing - so what? She has her comfort zone (like many of us) and hers is the political arena. She does just fine in parliament and with EU & world leaders and that's where it counts. I've made plenty of jokey comments when I've been a bit uncomfortable that have come out wrong & I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one.
It's depressing reading Mumsnet at the moment - very like being back at school and hearing the bitchiness aimed at other girls that you don't like because they're not in your group. It's not political discussion, it's name-calling and putting someone down because they think differently to you. I wonder how many of you that are making these personal comments would be so happy if they were aimed at you instead?

She does just fine in parliament and with EU & world leaders and that's where it counts

Has she?

Can you give some examples of where she's done fine in Parliament and the EU?

I can give you plenty of examples where she's done u-turns

Oh - and Cameron was just as bad. It's got nothing to do with her being a woman.

(Corbyn did not support terrorists. He is in favour of a United ireland

He advocated for a soilution that would have handed the IRA victory By suggesting that the UK imposes a United Ireland on the North, against their wishes. That's why he voted against the AIA, because it left the decision up to NI voters. He rather stupidly described his reasons for voting against it:

"We believe that the agreement strengthens rather than weakens the border between the six and the 26 counties, and those of us who wish to see a United Ireland oppose the agreement for that reason."

He didn't advocate "dialogue" at all, but an imposed United Ireland that would have been an IRA victory.

He was not alone in his views on Northern Ireland. Are you suggesting that because you hold political views that are also held by terrorists, you should change your views?

Still failing to understand how Corbyn lying a wreath for a Palestinian terrorist can do anything for the unification of Ireland.

Well May's nasty comment was awful.

But more to the point the Tories have been a disaster for Britain:

No plan for Brexit
Aligning with Trump militarily
Surging debt
NHS in crisis
Housing in crisis
Education in crisis

Awful, awful, awful...

Worlds- Corbyn is not "linked to IRA acts of terrorism at all. He is linked to a belief in a united ireland. And you must have missed my point about the wreath laying.

If by holding those views mean you are in agreement with a group of people who executed mothers in front of their children and tortured their victims with power drills, then it might have been wise to reconsider your views yes!

Corbyn wants to be PM, can you see the problem? Wanting an imposed solution in NI rather than respecting the democratic will of the pop', doesn't say much that's good about his ability / judgement.

He admitted he attended a wreath-laying ceremony at the grave of a Palestinian terrorist involved in the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre. He says he attended to commemorate all victims of Mossad.

So he may as well go to Salman Abedi's grave and lay a wreath for the all those killed by the SAS by that logic?

Hmmmm.

I think we might be losing the concept of nuance.......

Disliking Labour because of Corbyn is a bit like disliking a house because of the curtains.

Personally I am hoping for a Labour victory or a hung parliament. Anything other than another five years of Tory rule.

The fact that TM is refusing to publicly debate with Corbyn behind PMQT speaks volumes. He always comes across in a better way than she does.

So he's off to a public debate tonight..where is Theresa? No sign beyond a refusal to attend. Silly cow.

"Disliking Labour because of Corbyn is a bit like disliking a house because of the curtains"

Curtains are easily changeable and aren't the leader of the house.

• Bertrand - so you don't think it's acceptable for Corbyn to commemorate people who have been killed by the SAS in a wreath-laying ceremony held at the grave of Salman Abedi then?

Sorry, World, that's just silly. Happy to have a sensible conversation whenever you're ready.

No, it's not silly - you are saying that it's OK for him to have attended the ceremony because he says he was commemorating all of the people who died under Mossad - why does that make it OK? They supported terrorist activities.

It's exactly the same thing but in a present-day situation - yet, you have an issue with it?

How can you excuse his behaviour (and his version and reasoning for that behaviour) for what he's done in the past if you'd have an issue with him doing it in the present?

'Happy to have a sensible conversation whenever you're ready.'

That very similar to your earlier 'I thought you wanted a grown up discussion'

Why do you have to be so snide? genuine question. You do try so very hard to wind people up don't you.

'Curtains are easily changeable and aren't the leader of the house. '

Yes how odd to compare him to curtains .

Its the leading the house and the reams of questionable things he has said and done that mount up against him really. I wonder why they voted him in? different thread of course but why elect someone who has previous labour supporters voting elsewhere in their droves? it just doesn't make sense at all.

I thought it was an appalling remark. I actually kind of gasped, and I'm not a gasper as a rule. All I could think was how completely, utterly, unarguably unacceptable it would have been if a male politician had said it about her (or another female politician). Much as I detest Theresa May and all she stands for, I presume there have been times when she's had an unfairly hard time in politics because she's female. When I hear comments like that coming from her lips, I wonder how she can possibly have learned so very little that Corbyn is the one renowned for never stooping to personal attacks while she snorts her way through a succession of ill-conceived, poorly delivered, cringe-making put-down fails. Embarrassing. In every regard. But a reasonably true representation of the measure of the woman. So fair play on that front, I suppose.

i think what's disappointing is the level of personal attacks on Theresa May on this website. She's a woman who's made it to the top in a male-dominated environment and, regardless of your views on her politics, surely that should be admired? Don't we want our daughters to grow up thinking that they can do any job they want if they have the determination?

Hmm not sure, she shouldnt have a get out clause cos she's female, she should be treated the same as the men. She's actually not s good role model (in my opinion) as she reinforces the idea that women can only get ahead by being nasty. I have a teenage daughter and teenage son, we were discussing feminism yesterday aftrr I called my daughter a feminist, neither of my kids really understood the concept of being a feminist as to them boys and girls are equal, men and women are equal, and they couldn't understand the idea that anyone might think otherwise. Mind you I'm a single Mum so there's no "boys jobs" and "girls jobs" in our house.

I think what's disappointing is the level of personal attacks on Theresa May on this website. She's a woman who's made it to the top in a male-dominated environment and, regardless of your views on her politics, surely that should be admired? Don't we want our daughters to grow up thinking that they can do any job they want if they have the determination? So, maybe she isn't that comfortable having to do the public schmoozing - so what? She has her comfort zone (like many of us) and hers is the political arena. She does just fine in parliament and with EU & world leaders and that's where it counts. I've made plenty of jokey comments when I've been a bit uncomfortable that have come out wrong & I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one.

Oh I see, so because May is a woman she enjoys a exempt from criticism. How is that any good for equality? And how does criticising her stop our daughters from thinking they can do any job? I don't agree with the 'wizened old face's type comments, but most of the criticism she comes in for has nothing to do with her appearance. If she wants to be taken seriously as a female PM, and I have no doubt that she does, then that comes with people criticising her for her policies, for her manner, for her interactions. Same as her male opposition, same as the countless male PMs before her. Being a woman should not let her off the hook for that.

He advocated for a soilution that would have handed the IRA victory By suggesting that the UK imposes a United Ireland on the North, against their wishes. That's why he voted against the AIA, because it left the decision up to NI voters. He rather stupidly described his reasons for voting against it:

We believe that the agreement strengthens rather than weakens the border between the six and the 26 counties, and those of us who wish to see a United Ireland oppose the agreement for that reason."

He didn't advocate "dialogue" at all, but an imposed United Ireland that would have been an IRA victory.

He believed that the AIA wouldn't do anything to bring peace, and he was right. He voted in favour of the Good Friday Agreement, and that didn't hand the IRA a victory. At some point in the future, probably actually in the nearer future than previously thought due to Brexit, there is a fairly good chance that the reunification of Ireland will happen. Does that mean the IRA will have been victorious?

In principle I would like to see Ireland returned to 32 counties in my lifetime, although not at the cost of peace. Essentially I guess I am pro unification. In that sense I am on the same side as the IRA - does that make me one of them?

May is a vile human being. The fact that she's a women is neither here nor there.

May is certainly no role model for my DD and her friends. They all despise her!