To feel the faint stirrings of hope of a Labour victory?

[KentMum2008]

Just that really? We all thought it was a done deal, T May was going to win by a landslide and we'd be crippled by another 5 years of Tory rule.

Fast forward a few weeks and a Labour victory doesn't seem like such a long shot.

AIBU to feel optimistic that Labour genuinely have a fighting chance? At the very, very least it might result in no overall majority, but the ultimate dream of a Labour govt, run by a true socialist isn't as impossible as previously though.

JC4PM!

Which voters has she been speaking to? I thought she was bussing a careful selection of voters around the country and speaking just to them one the normal people had been cleared out of the building.

Round of applause for deeedeee.

I posted this link to a report from the Media and Communications department of the London School of Economics on the web chat thread - it might interest people here. It's about the smearing of Corbyn by the press.

www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report.pdf

Article from the Independent on the report: www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html

Well I think we can all agree the debate was an utter car crash for the Tories. When AR said 'judge us on our record' she actually got laughed at. Tim Farron repeatedly made it all about him (my children, my mother etc). Nuttall resorted to anti Islamic rhetoric, SNP and PC didn't say much that related to the UK as a whole. Lucas was eloquent and calm, although her immigration stance will alienate some. JC was likeable, good mannered and mostly refrained from too much Tory bashing (apart from his 'where is Theresa May?' comment at the end)
The only thing that irritated me was the fact that all parties had an opportunity to show a united front against the conservatives, and they didn't. Corbyn gave it a shot (after the Manchester attacks, I was in Manchester, along with Tim and Caroline) but the other parties won't have it. They must realise that Labour are the only party with a shot at getting the Tories out, and they should have at least tried to show some support. I know it goes against everything they know how to do, but all any of them want is the Tories out. They need to do a better job of promoting that, at all costs.

mangomay I don't agree with your summary at all. Corbyn was neither likeable nor eloquent and seemed distinctly lost for words several times. Farron, however, was likeable and eloquent to me.

I did notice at one point though that the camera panned to a few audience members clapping very loudly for Corbyn while all those around looked rather bemused.

mangomay I don't agree with your summary at all. Corbyn was neither likeable nor eloquent and seemed distinctly lost for words several times. Farron, however, was likeable and eloquent to me.

This.

No one had a 'car crash'

Tim Farron and Caroline Lucy's came out best.

I think there's a difference between being lost for words, and thinking about what you're going to say before you say it. Remember Corbyn doesn't rely on sound bites like TM. He considers his answers. He is human.

Corbyn didn't say he was in Manchester with Tim and Caroline, he said he was in Manchester with Tim and Amber. Fair play to him.

I am no fan of Theresa May, nor of the Conservatives generally (bar a few old guard, One Nation ones perhaps - although they're long gone), but if a leader I did respect declined to appear on this kind of show I probably wouldn't blame them.

There's something a bit X Factor or Jeremy Kyle about them.

I'd like to ask those who know more than me how they think JC would deal with the Saudi's as that has a large bearing on how I would vote?

Are all the beloved people being killed and families devastated by terrorism just "collateral damage" to politicians just the "the price of doing business with Saudi Arabia"? as so much of our economy depends on the so called "defense industry"?
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/sensitive-uk-terror-funding-inquiry-findings-may-never-be-published-saudi-arabia

I feel in real despair about the humanity of our politicians. I always struggled with JC's support of the IRA and the marches through Islington he supported etc when he was my MP. The people who elect to become politicians seem removed from the visceral reality of the consequences of terror on families.

Would JC's liberalism mean that the flow of jihadists and Saudi money to Whabbists mosques and preachers escalate? I have no faith in TM but genuinely trying to surmise if JC would be better?

Wormulonian Jc said in the live debate on Monday that the way to win the war in terror was to cut off the funding.

We all know where that funding is coming from, so I believe that answers how he feels about Saudi. I can't imagine he's thrilled about arms deals either.

The terrified links always confuse me. As far as I can see it's a lot of unsubstantiated reports saying:

'He loves the Ira'

I haven't found any actual proof of this. All I can see are people saying he said they should be honoured, though it turned out he was speaking at a tribute for all the victims of the troubles.

'He called Hamas friends'

Again, he was chairing a meeting designed to being about peace. He has said he was using inclusive language to start a discourse. He didn't invite Hamas over for Christmas.

so much of our economy depends on the so called "defense industry"

We really need to get away from this. There are good things we can make.

Jeremy Corby PM - God help us if that happens. Tony Blair and his bloody leftie wife shafted this country and now you want another one to do the same.

What can we make?
All our manufacturings gonе, we have the City and service sector.
Defense and arms are spme of the few things we do manufacture.

Tony Blair was as left as my arse crack.

Hint: It's pretty central.

City will go cos of Brexit plus increased tax and regulatory burden. Reports that manufacturing exports have not been boosted as much as expected despite sterling devaluation. And now the defence industry will be under threat (142,000 direct jobs, 111,000 indirect jobs ....... turnover £24 bn in 2015).....

But let's make other things.....

There are good things we can make

Like jam?

Jam's good, but why don't let JC make this after the election? He'll need something to occupy the long days ahead.

We have everything we need:

• Good infrastructure base - ready to be built up
• The world's best University research, from technology to engineering to medicine.
• An educated population.
• Stable government/rule of law.
• We aren't susceptible to natural disasters

We can build anything we want to. Anytime we choose.

It doesn't have to be weapons....it can be medicine. It doesn't have to be bombs but generators and windmills and solar panels.

With the way that the current elections have gone nothing would surprise me! I don't think Labour will win, but then I didn't think Trump would win and I didn't think we'd vote for Brexit!

It's certainly interesting......

I've always voted conservative (and my MP has a massive majority and I actually like him) however I really disagree with their education policy and I'm struggling a bit this time.

I think some of the labour policies are ridiculous though, and although my opinion on Corbyn has changed during the campaign, I don't see him as a leader and I strongly disagree with some of his views.

Currently the Conservatives on 42% and Labour on 39% the gap is currently closing, so perhaps they may have a chance.

I thought this was the way it may go too BUT l have just read that JC is proposing a
Land Value tax, that would hit all who have a home, with big annual bills think possibly 3k annually on a modest house.......Who can afford this?

People will be being repossessed all over the country and what about the many who can only just afford their mortgages?

Truly scary..has anyone else heard about this?

No can you post a link please?

I think they are talking of a corporation tax dragon, not heard of LVT being suggested but not read their manifesto.

I will vote Labour but this is a safe Tory seat and I do actually like our local MP, have met him on several occasions and he takes a keen interest in local events and is very visible. It's a shame the same cannot be said for other MPs.

Set up a company then makeourfuture if it's that easy. What are you going to build? How are you going to be competitive in this global environment? There's a reason we are net importers of stuff......